leopard musing: objc2.0 and gc

[applegoddess]

Okay, so over the course of messing around with Objective-C 2.0 for some of my mac app ideas, I've come to a realization

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[frijole]

i can't find it now, but one of the big mac software companies had charts of OS usage, and basically within a couple months of tiger's release, a large majority of their users had moved to it, and after a year, the % on nI/i>-2 was tiny

[applegoddess]

I think it was omni. but the thing about tiger is that not only is it two and a half years old at this point, the intel transition was also in the middle, along with a lot of other stuff.

but the thing with that chart is iirc one of omni's apps was bundled with the OS? Jobs announced that a large number of OS X users were on Tiger at wwdc, but there isn't much more info about that, like there could be people who own multiple computers running different versions and all.

I mean, I'm definitely switching to Leopard retail on all my macs the day it comes out..and even if I weren't going to, I would just for TextMate...

fwiw the chart is at http://update.omnigroup.com/ im guessing you're talking about it :)

[anonymous]

I'd note that tiger already has many of these pro dev apis and most of it comesdown to leopard further leveraging them. See textmate and core text. Its why smultron is tiger only as well.

[applegoddess]

Oh, yeah. But there's a fair number of new things in Leopard most likely not going to be backported.

I mean, back when Tiger was new you didn't get declarations from major devs saying their applications would be Tiger only before the release date. New apps just were Tiger only, and devs slowly started to drop Panther support because Tiger had some goodies they wanted to use.

Here, they're declaring that the next major revision of their apps are going to be Leopard only, months in advance of the date. And they're not remorseful about it, and none of them have changed their minds yet..one can only assume they think this is a perfectly worthwhile thing to do if their customers will switch to Leopard.

But with the case of textmate, as much as there are comments saying the (users) would upgrade, there are also other users bitching about a force upgrade or how they're not going to just because one dev wants to do a leopard-only app (and I can only assume, eventually drop work and support on pre-Leopard versions).

[punk_apple]

Scary to think how many Windows users still use reaaaaally old software. Like Trillian ..... things of which not all have even been updated at all in the past 5 years.

The first thing I'll do with 10.5 is wait for the .1 update to fix the most obnoxious bugs, then rip the useless waste of space (all but en) lproj out of it. Waaayyy too bloated. OS X Elephant..

[applegoddess]

I don't get it. And recently, I watched some guy totally bitch (and subsequently get banned) on IRC about how Microsoft was force-upgrading his MSN messenger.

As in, Microsoft was preventing logins with messenger 7.5 and forcing him to upgrade to windows live messenger 8.x, otherwise he couldn't login. Or he could use a 3rd party client. All because of a supposed theoretical security issue with 7.5 and previous that was just discovered.

Yeah, bloat. But Tiger had bloat too, and Leopard's not too bad, it's growing on me :)

[applegoddess]

Well in the case of msn messenger, I can understand why nobody wants to use WLM. The latter is bloated and crap, while MSN messenger is still bearable. But i'd imagine at that point you'd want to switch to something like trillian (Which at least gets updated often) or pidgin.