A note to English-speaking readers

Mar 20, 2008 04:32

It had been brought to my attention, that some of my comments, carried on Tuesday by a Russian online daily called Izbrannoe, drew immense criticisms from many American LJ readers and users, who were never given a chance to read them in the first place. Some were basing their impressions on a machine translation, and others, even worse, on a ( Read more... )

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merig00 March 20 2008, 02:57:26 UTC
should have written this post long ago

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dolboeb March 20 2008, 05:15:01 UTC
How long ago? I've been in town for all day, so I wrote it as soon as I saw my computer, and had some time to read the reactions.

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merig00 March 20 2008, 05:38:30 UTC
I'd say around the time of the interview in izbranoe or w/e the name of that journal is.

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dreik March 20 2008, 20:08:33 UTC
You should know this name :=) it's in russian and this is your mother-language. Do you remember? :)

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funny v888 March 20 2008, 04:00:10 UTC
It took you a while to start claiming that you've been misquoted.
You did not say it in your multiple comments on the topic yesterday.

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Re: funny dolboeb March 20 2008, 05:19:06 UTC
I have my opinion on the topic, and it hasn't changed.
And there are misquotes, that I saw today, such as calling people idiots, when I clearly said they were not, or saying the decision will not be reviewed, when I said just the opposite.

Couldn't object yesterday to what I only saw today. Sorry, I'm not a prophet.

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it's even funnier then v888 March 20 2008, 06:15:34 UTC
So when you were answering - for instance - this comment (among the others)
http://dolboeb.livejournal.com/1189265.html?thread=46311057#t46311057
you had not read the interview yet?
The guy called you a boor and you did not get surpised?

Well, the people behind the fence also like to say one thing in their language, then very much different things in English)

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Re: it's even funnier then bad_girls_do_it March 20 2008, 15:12:55 UTC
> And there are misquotes, that I saw today, such as calling people idiots.

well, well, well... it's on the record. He was not calling names to the effect that "bad_girls_do_it is an idiot" and "v888 is another idiot".. He way saying that those people who oppose whatever administrative decisions oppose them for "idiotic" reasons. Idiotic reasons are those concerns that are out of sync with the sup’s corporate wisdom - privacy of information and freedom of speech. It is "idiotic" to believe that public concerns account for much when it comes to making a corporate decision which always derives from a cost-benefit analysis. LiveJournal is his business, you know. And in the final analysis, it is up to him and his corporate cronies to decide what is good for the community. Good for the community is what’s expedient investment-wise. Nossik went further than this. He claimed (he intuited) that this vision is shared by all bloggers - except, perhaps, for a dozen of nut-cases who can be easily ignored. The poll taken revealed that the idiots ( ... )

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toshirodragon March 20 2008, 04:00:55 UTC
Where on Earth did you find a bicycle that goes in reverse? Cause you are sure backpedaling with a vengeance....

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cattyhunts March 20 2008, 16:13:56 UTC
FTW!!!!

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en_ki March 20 2008, 17:48:52 UTC
toshirodragon March 20 2008, 17:58:26 UTC
FanFRICKINtastic!!!

I'd kill myself on one of those things XD

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zikki_majestic March 20 2008, 04:39:56 UTC
Unbelievable. Zasurskiy style at its best.
I'm one person at my work, and completely another at my home.
One truth for my company, the opposite for my blog readers.
The person who is in some way has relation to "social" sphere can not call its users "marginal".
In fact, he can not call even a single user marginal.
That's because long ago LJ started from one user and that's because it's in no way social.
You have shown your personal ATTITUDE. Thank you.
I don't think that there's some kind of other ATTITUDE of yours that comes to effect when you're in your office and fades away when you're out of it.
There are some places where you just can not hide.

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dolboeb March 20 2008, 05:29:48 UTC
The person who is in some way has relation to "social" sphere can not call its users "marginal".

I never called any users marginal.
But any initiative can be called marginal, if it is.
And the antisponsoredlj community linked above was indeed marginal, since it did not represent but a small group of users, voicing their own personal dissent, for which they failed to attract any broader support.

Or are you trying to say, that I got it all wrong, and they did enjoy support of all users in LJ?

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хехе moola March 20 2008, 13:57:44 UTC
Ну тут можно отмазаться тем, "marginal" не полностью эквивалентно "маргиналу".

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cacahuate March 20 2008, 05:07:23 UTC
Is this translation accurate? You didn't address the parts I found most troubling:
In a situation where people are trying to blackmail and intimidate us, threatening to destroy our business, there are business reasons not to reward this sort of behaviour. This isn't just the psychology of someone who becomes more stubborn the more they're pushed. The issue is that at no point in the history of any successful business, success was not reached by bowing to aggressive, unfriendly force. No decision -- even the most correct one -- should be taken under duress.

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And there's a third category of people. They constantly, throughout the history of LJ's existence, come forward with loud initiatives whose purpose is to harm LJ and its creators, to bankrupt them, to ruin their reputation. For the most part, these people are driven by a need for attention, and that need is always validated.
If these sections don't refer to the people criticizing SUP now on news posts and planning the temporary boycott, they don't make much sense in context, so ( ... )

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dolboeb March 20 2008, 05:47:15 UTC
The editing, reshuffling and recombining of what I was saying lead to inaccurate attributions.
For instance, what I said about intimidation, related to a 2006 case cited above, namely that of antisponsoredlj. It's not a long community, I suggest that you have a look at it, and this is the case I was referring to. I had no intention to judge you or your motives, I don't know you to pass judgement on you or your motives (ditto for thousands of otheк users unhappy with the decision to stop serving basic accounts). I was referring to some past cases, when ultimatums were served to LJ management, and flashmobs initiated to make the company hurt, just because someone didn't like ads, or sponsored communities, or neonazi account suspension, and such ( ... )

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shadesong March 20 2008, 11:21:39 UTC
I believe that someone with years of loyal use, someone who chose LJ over other platforms, knows to value the service, wants it to remain the place of communication, not flames and fighting, and is rather interested in a productive and constructive dialog with the service, than just shutting it down to make a point.

I agree with this statement.

The problem is, every time we attempt dialog, we're shut down. Dialog is always our first recourse - look at all of the comments on news posts! We want to sit down and have a discussion, but when we attempt to do so, we're ignored, dismissed.

The content strike is not attempted blackmail,nor is it malicious. It is an attempt to get SUP to see LJ users as a community, not a commodity. I undrstand that SUP would love to run this like a business, but it cannot be ignored that it is a community. This is an opportunity to find a new way to run a business - go with that! Listen to Brad and danah and the other advisory board members, and make decisions that will be good for LJ. Do so, and LJ will be ( ... )

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randomposting March 20 2008, 15:04:43 UTC
Seconded!

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