Anti-Feminist Births First Baby In The World

Aug 29, 2009 16:58

Gah! When will Katie Roiphe grow up and stop working out her problems with her mom by taking wild shots at feminism? She has a baby now; surely she's old enough to mature a little. OTOH, whining about feminism is how she pays her rent. So I left a comment which I wish I could repost in my mundane blog, but I used my Ankh identity so darn, all I ( Read more... )

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mckennl August 29 2009, 21:26:32 UTC
::smoooch::

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mckennl August 29 2009, 21:27:01 UTC
also P.S. I like your headline a LOT better.

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First Baby In The World ankhorite August 29 2009, 22:44:13 UTC
Yay! :)

I've been absent from LJ and have missed you.

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Re: First Baby In The World mckennl August 30 2009, 01:19:53 UTC
I haven't been around much either -- I'm trying to waste less time online, which means being online less, for better or worse.

Hey I don't think I'm friends w/ you on Facebook. I'm Liz McK there.

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pshaw_raven August 30 2009, 02:37:25 UTC
*smoulders* I hate that tactic. Just because I don't want kids doesn't mean I don't support women who do wish to have children. GAH. :P

This whole thing just boils with bullshit and bad rhetoric and I think it made my brain explode.

You're right. She acts like everyone who's every told me, "Oh once you have your own, you'll change your mind!" Um, no. I won't. Cuz I'm not having any. Sorry.

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No I Won't and Pro-Mother Feminism ankhorite August 30 2009, 03:24:02 UTC
I said so when I was seven, and nobody believed me.

They should have.

Cuz I meant it, and I'm not sorry.

But I have worked like a dog all my political life to try to get a culture which pretends to esteem motherhood, mothers, children, and childhood to actually support those concepts and constituencies.

Not much luck so far, if you don't count
-- the Pregnancy Discrimination Act
-- bans on marital status discrimination (which were originally enforced against married women; I think you're too young to have lived through that ( ... )

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Re: No I Won't and Pro-Mother Feminism pshaw_raven August 30 2009, 12:57:10 UTC
If it weren't so early I'd come up with something wittier.

No, I'm not old enough to remember discrimination against married women with kids, but in one my earliest job interviews I was asked first if I had any, and then if I was planning on having any and I recall thinking, "They don't really need to know that."

I've seen a lot of what you list in action or inaction at work. Especially the child support thing. Some ladies depend on that payment each month to make the rent, and when he doesn't pony up like he's supposed to I wind up arguing with my boss to not file an eviction notice on her. *sighs*
I just think, and oddly some people find my opinion here strange, that if you don't want children then don't have them. And if you do, have them, but take care of them. If a woman wants a child, then she ought to be able to do for herself, and get the support she needs to do stuff like go to work, etc. I'm just not in favor of the particular type of people who have kids on top of kids and then don't care for them. Just because you can, ( ... )

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Re: No I Won't and Pro-Mother Feminism mckennl August 30 2009, 23:20:19 UTC
you were right, I did enjoy this. :)

It continues to ASTONISH me how little kids today know of their history, of the struggles their parents and grandparents went through to get them where they are (whiny). They can google anything -- except what it was like to be queer, or disabled, or female, or not white in 1960, 1970, etc. Either they don't believe it was as bad as it was, or they do and thus think themselves morally superior to everyone older (less enlightened) than them or -- ::sputters, grumbles, waves cane in a crotchety manner::

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I see trouble ahead... belle_marmotte August 31 2009, 01:04:11 UTC
Did you notice how she refers to the child as 'the baby' throughout the article.

Babies aren't so for long and her choice of words speaks volumes about how ill prepared she is for that person to have its own identity, separate from her.

It does and it will and why can't some parents get it through their thick heads that their sole purpose as a parent is to raise a child to be a functional autonomous person, able one day to be completely INDEPENDENT of them?

Parents your role is vital, but temporary. Foolish therefore the individuals who define themselves by that role.

She'll come unstuck. Oh and Silvia Plath had children too and look what happened to her.

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