Good luck Falkirk! I don't mind Falkirk, i have good memories of your fans having fun in Dingwall, even if you did always beat us! ;) And i want you to finsih above Caley, just cos. ;)
oh my god. :D That was brilliant! I wish I had more words to use to praise you. But I don't. I really liked your level of realism. Like the prayer times and so forth.
I'm not quite sure I understand your Author's note though. Which part is historically inaccurate about your mentions of the bible?
Oh good! I'm glad people seem to like it because I was having a very insecure moment when I posted it :D.
Um...this is possibly me being a bit anal about things. Pagan says to Roland that the Bible doesn't mention homosexual relationships as being a sin, but all translations around at that time would have. So Pagan would probably have believed the Bible actually did say they were wrong. Which is me getting a bit caught up in insignificant detail, isn't it?
ah. Well, if you must know, NONE of the bible ever says the word 'sin'. It says 'abomination', but what exactly was an abomination is up for debate. Eating shellfish was also an abomination. And the 'homosexuals' being an abomination is a modern interpretation. many modern scholars believe that it's more saying, with the whole 'men should not lie with men as with women', that a straight man shouldn't sleep with another man just because he's well. horny at the time. Sailors. The army. Rapists. etc. The other bit is something that modern bibles say as 'homosexuals (and other people in a list here) will not inherit the kingdom of heaven'. BUT the word 'homosexual' was put into modern english bibles... when there was no such word before hand. Many believe it's a misinterpretation of a word that was more like 'paedophiles'. The men who would have their 12 year old 'lovers'. So, Pagan is still correct, it does not say 'sin'. And he's also right that it all doesn't make sense. If he were reading the latin version, it'd be saying a whole
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Well, I assumed that Pagan would equate abomination with sin. Also just because homosexuality was generally seen as sinful at the time. But no, I know, I get so annoyed when the Bible is used as 'evidence' that homsexuality is wrong. It says that paedophilia is wrong, male rape is wrong, male prostitution is wrong, and that ritual male-male sex in pagan temples is wrong (course, it also says the same about most of these things of heterosexual sex). But a consenting relationship?
The phrase I was thinking of when I wrote it (the one often translated as 'abomination') has a direct translation of 'And with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman'. Clear as mud. In liberal Bibles that's now often translated as not lying in a woman's bed, so I suppose I was thinking of that when I wrote it.
Isn't it fantastic having a fandom where you can discuss these things? *is geeky*
Stylistically, this needs to be a different animal entirely from the books because your theme is far different. You're exploring what happened as Pagan became a man; it's only right that the tone and the perspective should change.
I quite liked this, both from an omg-hotness point of view and a yes-this-works point of view. :-)
Thank you! I'm very glad you liked. Also, very appreciative of your intelligent reasoning as to why it has to be different stylistically. I just put it down to Jinks being a better writer than me :).
I have *never* felt that fanfiction has to be in the same style as the original text to be counted as well written or good. You're exploring the characters, not trying to be a ghostwriter.
Thank you! I am very glad you like it that much because I had just made up my mind I hated it. But everyone has been nice so now I'll like it again :).
Hmm, that might be a problem. ... would she mind if you have a fangirl? =D
Heh. Well, I've noticed myself that the transition from first person to third (especially with Pagan) is a litle off-putting, but you still made it... so very Pagan. Like the part where Roland was very heavy.
I've been secretly going over and disecting this fic to find out what the secrets are to the build up of the plot and story line. Hurray for text-analysing lessons at the Translating Academy
It's especially difficult because Pagan is such a strong first person voice. And 'cause Jinks just has this unique style. Which is of course why we all love her so much...but I'm glad you think I made it Pagan-ish.
I do that ALL THE TIME! I'm still convinced there's some sort of magic formula to writing. And one day I will discover it!
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And Happy St Andrews Day! :D
Good luck Falkirk! I don't mind Falkirk, i have good memories of your fans having fun in Dingwall, even if you did always beat us! ;) And i want you to finsih above Caley, just cos. ;)
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I want us to finish above Caley too :). And the good luck worked: beat St. Mirren 5-1!!!
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Lol, well done! :D I obviously transferred all County's good luck to Falkirk...but I need it back next week! ;)
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I really liked your level of realism. Like the prayer times and so forth.
I'm not quite sure I understand your Author's note though. Which part is historically inaccurate about your mentions of the bible?
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Um...this is possibly me being a bit anal about things. Pagan says to Roland that the Bible doesn't mention homosexual relationships as being a sin, but all translations around at that time would have. So Pagan would probably have believed the Bible actually did say they were wrong. Which is me getting a bit caught up in insignificant detail, isn't it?
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The phrase I was thinking of when I wrote it (the one often translated as 'abomination') has a direct translation of 'And with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman'. Clear as mud. In liberal Bibles that's now often translated as not lying in a woman's bed, so I suppose I was thinking of that when I wrote it.
Isn't it fantastic having a fandom where you can discuss these things? *is geeky*
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I quite liked this, both from an omg-hotness point of view and a yes-this-works point of view. :-)
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I loved it. Lovedlovedlovedit. Your writing is very well thought out and- and the steamy parts were so HOT but still Pagan. ... stupid pebble indeed.
Thank you.
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Thank you! I am very glad you like it that much because I had just made up my mind I hated it. But everyone has been nice so now I'll like it again :).
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Heh. Well, I've noticed myself that the transition from first person to third (especially with Pagan) is a litle off-putting, but you still made it... so very Pagan. Like the part where Roland was very heavy.
I've been secretly going over and disecting this fic to find out what the secrets are to the build up of the plot and story line. Hurray for text-analysing lessons at the Translating Academy
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It's especially difficult because Pagan is such a strong first person voice. And 'cause Jinks just has this unique style. Which is of course why we all love her so much...but I'm glad you think I made it Pagan-ish.
I do that ALL THE TIME! I'm still convinced there's some sort of magic formula to writing. And one day I will discover it!
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