I didn't read this thoroughly, only skimmed it, but this: "He doesn't seem to have non-intervention as a value at all. It's more an issue of being responsible about it." reminds me of this: http://steorra.dreamwidth.org/380683.html
Yes! Precisely this! You say a lot of the things I was trying to say in this post, but couldn't quite put into words properly.
Because the Seventh Doctor is manipulative. Extremely so. And...he doesn't try to draw the line you're talking about between responsibility and manipulation - which he can get away with because he's a fictional character. (And even then only somewhat - he gets a lot of flack both in universe and from the fandom for being that way.)
I think I might want to quote you just a little bit.
I should make a longer comment later but I will at least observe this for now: if the Daleks are the Seventh Doctor's mess to clean up, then they are Nine's horror-filled zombies. Cause they came back from whatever he did to them, they don't stay cleaned up, they don't stay down, they don't stay DEAD. Like Buffy and the ever-increasing hordes of vampires.
Huh - my understanding is that, as Buffy goes along, Vampires pretty much cease to be a problem at all. It's like "oh, vampires. Whatever." Things like Life Choices become the much bigger issue.
...huh. I wonder what the Time War would have been like if it had been Seven waging it instead of Eight...
How do you know he wasn't? It's technically called "The last great time war", implying there were others. There is ongoing discussion on the subject, suggesting that the beginning of war between the Time Lords and the Daleks was Genesis of the Daleks. I would suggest that blowing up Skaro would be the end of that particular war, since it was mentioned that the Master in the TV movie was tried and executed ON SKARO. Suggesting that the Time Lords were able to use Skaro at a previous time without Dalek interference. Whatever Seven did actually stuck for a while, like the break between WWI and WWII.
And, like the world wars, the second was even more devastating than the first.
Another thought (not inconsistent with your own) is that what really happened in Rememberance is that he turned the tide of the civil war in favor of the Rebel Daleks. Both the Imperials and the Rebels have time travel, and the Imperial main base seems to be Skaro. It follows that, unless the Rebels are losing pretty darned badly at this point, their own main base is somewhere else. That is to say, that it is more likely that Rebel Daleks survived Rememberance than it is that Imperial Daleks survived Rememberance (apart from Davros, of course).
And my impression of the New Series (of course, without having seen most of the relevant episodes) is that the Rebel Daleks won the war (even though they were pretty clearly losing in Rememberance).
Oh, and I suppose I owe you points - Davros is referred to as the Emperor Dalek in Rememberance. My mistake.
Oh, watching it, the Other One said "but wait! What about the Thals!" I was so proud!
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"He doesn't seem to have non-intervention as a value at all. It's more an issue of being responsible about it."
reminds me of this:
http://steorra.dreamwidth.org/380683.html
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Because the Seventh Doctor is manipulative. Extremely so. And...he doesn't try to draw the line you're talking about between responsibility and manipulation - which he can get away with because he's a fictional character. (And even then only somewhat - he gets a lot of flack both in universe and from the fandom for being that way.)
I think I might want to quote you just a little bit.
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Huh - my understanding is that, as Buffy goes along, Vampires pretty much cease to be a problem at all. It's like "oh, vampires. Whatever." Things like Life Choices become the much bigger issue.
...huh. I wonder what the Time War would have been like if it had been Seven waging it instead of Eight...
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And, like the world wars, the second was even more devastating than the first.
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Another thought (not inconsistent with your own) is that what really happened in Rememberance is that he turned the tide of the civil war in favor of the Rebel Daleks. Both the Imperials and the Rebels have time travel, and the Imperial main base seems to be Skaro. It follows that, unless the Rebels are losing pretty darned badly at this point, their own main base is somewhere else. That is to say, that it is more likely that Rebel Daleks survived Rememberance than it is that Imperial Daleks survived Rememberance (apart from Davros, of course).
And my impression of the New Series (of course, without having seen most of the relevant episodes) is that the Rebel Daleks won the war (even though they were pretty clearly losing in Rememberance).
Oh, and I suppose I owe you points - Davros is referred to as the Emperor Dalek in Rememberance. My mistake.
Oh, watching it, the Other One said "but wait! What about the Thals!" I was so proud!
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