Sourcery

May 11, 2011 14:21

So, I've been trying to get off of my Doctor Who kick by getting onto a Discworld kick. (Really, I'm very overdue for an Arthur or Beowulf kick - it's just been a whole lotta Doctor Who and Discworld lately).

Anway, watching the BBC adaptation of The Color of Magic reminded me how much I like Rincewind, which in turn reminded me how much I like ( Read more... )

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mayamaia May 11 2011, 20:22:49 UTC
Problem: Moving Pictures has the chittering things from the Dungeon Dimensions. Sorry!

I'm always troubled by the fact that Rincewind was ever dug up again. I know it's because he's Lady Luck's favorite pawn, but I loved his happy ending after The Light Fantastic, and Sourcery dug him up out of it and ruined his life again. From there, I just always feel sorry for him.

It bugs me that I haven't actually seen the kids doing Not Magic since then... though I understand they do show up again at least once.

But ultimately, I prefer the later series, or at least my favorite books are in it. Small Gods above all, Reaper Man as a close second. Thief of Time was good, but it just ultimately is not as important to me.

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animate_mush May 11 2011, 23:15:51 UTC
Ach, does it? There goes my problem. Although it firmly makes "Moving Pictures" the transitional novel.

See, I usually divide the series into three parts - those which are clearly the early series (beginning through about Guards! Guards!), those which are clearly the late series (lets say Men at Arms or so through the present day), and the transitional books (which, I put Soul Music there even though it's after Men at Arms). So I don't really consider Reaper Man or Small Gods to be late series per se.

(Alternatively, there's the early [fantasy] series, the late [steam punk] series, and then there's Small Gods). I...totally see why those two appeal to you. (and I don't think you're wrong). The secondary plot in Reaper Man, though, is...not good. On the other hand, I don't think there's a single line in the series that says more than:

Sixpence is sixpence. But corn is not just corn.

So...yeah. And I'll freely admit that Small Gods may be the best book in the series.

What you say about Sourcery makes sense. Actually, I ( ... )

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karakael May 16 2011, 03:11:38 UTC
Reading this while rereading Equal Rights made me wonder where Esk and Simon were during the events of Sorcery. It seems that they wouldn't have gotten pulled into the whole fight...and I'd hate to think they got axed because of it. :(

...which then, in my fanfiction addled brain, resulted in me picturing them camped out in the Library with a bitty Ponder Stibbons, while Simon explained discworld physics and Esk maps L-space with the Librarian. So it goes.

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animate_mush May 17 2011, 16:26:29 UTC
Yeah, that's a good and disturbing question.

I don't think they're in the library, since the library burns and the librarian escapes with the patrician, wuffles, and the books over to the Tower of Art. And when Rincewind finds them that seems to be everybody.

I have two thoughts.

(1) They're off some otherwhere on the Disc Not-Doing magic for all they're worth trying to hold the world together.
(2) At some point they wandered off through L-Space and left the world entirely, so they're just not here. They're itinerrant math professors having wacky adventures through time and space.

...I like (2) better. And it works with your scenario having happened at some point in the past :)

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karakael May 17 2011, 19:09:44 UTC
I like (2) too. Simon and Esk Not!Time Lords! Watch, as they navigate the most tangled knots of time, not doing anything and thereby saving the universe! Comedy! Romance! Probably History Monks!

Out of curiosity, how old would Ponder have been during Sorcery? Does he have a family back home (I swear there's a mention of it somewhere in Hogfather, but I might be getting his and the Lecture of Recent Runes backstory messed up.)

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animate_mush June 26 2011, 21:54:03 UTC
Having just read I Shall Wear Midnight (Thanks, by the way!) I'd like to call this CONFIRMED.

Oooh, Discworld Chronology is always hard. I'm sure there's a wiki out there. I think the bit you're thinking of from Hogfather is where one of the older wizards is complaining about there always being some kid who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and wins all the games, and Ponder reflecting sheepishly that he may have been that kid.

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