stupid prophecies

[angstbunny]

So I'm trying to pick back up on my Seeker rewatch, because doing LAS has put me back in the mood for the show. I gotta say, my heart still twinges when I put the DVD in and that music plays. Cries. Episode selection music remains lolariously jaunty however

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[screamingintune]

there's a lot of stuff like this in Seeker that when I go back and watch season one make me go, "huh." Like, in "Sacrifice," there's a scene, where they're debating whether or not to kill the male Confessor baby, and Zedd says something like, "if you had a chance to prevent great evil from coming into the world, wouldn't you?" and that was a minor line at the time but a HUGE line later when you find out that it was his magic used on Panis to make the conception of Darken Rahl possible, and that Zedd has carried around a lot of guilt as a result.

The thing with prophecies on the show is that they're typically fulfilled, but not as you'd expect, always with that twist. And they can't be averted. Everyone who tries to avert it, fails.

It's possible Kahlan stabbing Richard is the betrayal, but you also have to consider that they didn't know they were getting canceled, so that might have had a different payoff eventually, we just don't know. *hates the entire world*

[angstbunny]

Yes OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG that was amazing.

That's the messed up thing about Seeker world. Prophecies come to pass one way or another. And that's part of my rewatch, is to track these prophecies, and there are different levels of them, too, which complicates matters. There are visions, and there's the Hall of Prophecy, and then there are prophets, which I think they mentioned in the early eps, but not again later. That the Seeker will be born in Brennidon was a prophecy given by a prophet who was tortured to death by Rahl. So... idek.

I'm trying to consider everything in the context of the show itself, rather than speculate based on external factors. I agree that "the one in white" prophecy could actually be something that could've been brought back in a later season if we got it, but we didn't (cries forever). I'm working with what we got.

[screamingintune]

Apparently they cast both Nathan Rahl and Warren when they were doing the arc in season two when Richard was at the Palace of the Prophets but they got cut when they actually wrote the episodes. Both of those characters are prophets, so I have to think if the show went on they might have revisited those characters.

[angstbunny]

THERE AREN'T ENOUGH WHARLGARBLS IN THE WORLD TO KNOW THAT

[idleleaves]

I don't think Kahlan's actions in "Tears" constitutes a betrayal, because she did not function under her own free will. The whole mess in "Denna" is more betrayal-ish, though I question that as well, because betrayal is a heavy and loaded word and it was more misguided actions that led to a lot of hurt.

Mm, yes. I've wondered about this, too. Prophecies do tend to come to pass in Seeker (though not in the way we expect, which is great), but that, I'm kinda back and forth on. It depends on whether or not you're considering just actions or whether intent factors into it as well. Prophecies tend to be, well, flat - like you said, without emotional nuance - so I wonder if fulfillment is also without nuance. If, like, the actions in "Tears" counts as a betrayal for the purposes of the prophecy, or if the emotional state of everyone involved factors into it. Or something. I'm really tired. I might be making no sense.

Getting murderated by your true love counts as a betrayal even if you forgive her... IDK if I should have laughed so hard

[angstbunny]

That's exactly it. I don't think there is any emotional component to the prophecies, which is why they are so difficult to interpret and to implement any course correction (I will verify this on rewatch, but I don't think ANY prophecy was successfully averted). But anyway, being that, I wonder what betrayal means in that context, too. Because it was very much an emotional betrayal in "Denna" if it can be called a betrayal. Whereas, you know, murderation by the one you love, regardless of context and circumstance, is, well, murderation. So. This is why I feel like "betrayed by the one in white" prophecy can be reinterpreted to mean Kahlan stabbing Richard in "Tears". Which I think is pretty cool in the context of that world, how prophecies are really immutable things and they don't necessarily have to apply right away (unlike the other prophecies in S2 that frequently concerned immediate events).

Haha it's okay you laughed. I meant for it to be amusing.