I've been having a nice tame little discussion on desichama's blog about god and closely related things. Mostly, the relevance of God. As a creation, and as a reality
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Unwilling to discern or judge, UNQUESTIONING 'blind faith' having no regard to rational discrimination, guidance, or restriction, lacking a directing or controlling consciousness, made or done without sight of certain knowledge of certain facts that could serve for guidance....
I thought the term blind was connotated enough to imply the 'blind faith' accent on the phrase.
Lets consider Newton, would blind apply to him when he said "gravity"? cause at that time I believe there were things falling of the trees and birds flying off them too ... but he struck to falling things,(no regard to rational discrimination, guidance, or restriction) *********************************** "a directing or controlling consciousness" - is what leads a person into faith...atleast thats what I have... *********************************** made or done without sight of "certain knowledge" of "certain facts" that could serve for guidance....
what knowledge of the fact that it will have to swim for the rest of its life, do you think a new born fish has? What knowledge of the fact that it is not safe to get close to acid does a "cell" have when left in between blood and acid?? why does it move towards blood?
Birds don't fly upwards without reason. Newton could'nt have been blind to ignore birds. And quite obviously, he would'nt!
He must have seen fledglings falling out of nests. he'd also have noticed that birds with broken wings stayed on the ground. He'd have noticed that those wings flapped against the 'ether' which provided it with the ability to stay in the air. Work is being done!
Newton would undoubtedly not have thought of bird wings as levitation devices. I'm quite certain of that. Have you ever wondered why the heck birds stay up in the air? Frankly, as a kid, I did wonder abut why things fall, but the fact of birds staying in the air was glaringly obvious to me. I can't see why Newton, being who he was, would'nt have seen that at his age!
....new born fish has?Golly! Are you trying to tell me that God is busy guiding fish? Are you saying that there's no such thing as genetic consciousness? That chemical combinations of certain DNA fragments identify the fact that specific behavior will be exhibited? From what I
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I think you're right na...religions are only human constructs after all. Thats why none of them *are* perfect...and you're right they're supposedd to evolve and change with changing circumstances but they rarely do :)
You see, the sciences, literature, blah-blah, etceterra have all been advancing through the ages.... But Religion? It's been stuck like this for centuries. According to the texts I've read, it seems that religion did indeed have a period of advancements in the form of change. But sadly, there's absolutely no evidence of anything further being evolved.
There have been newer religions that have sprung up from time to time. Sadly, even those stop evolvnig and begin a downturn.
They're outdated and they're not doing anything to look intelligently at the changing world around them.
It depends though its not about the religion inherentli, its more about peoples perspective on what they're supposed to do with it..
If you take things from a completeli literal sense, then its a lot to expect that it will b entireli relevant to u and that nothing should change :) It's just that humans r humans..and they don't likee change. Wherever they can stop things changing they will :)
So I guess a religion doesn't needd to be completeli dynamic, it just needs to highlight the lessons that are in between the lines... which is hard...because although those lessons r timeless they require more thinking :P
I agree totally! it's what people decide to do with it, or what they end up doing with it for whatever reasons.
Humans are resistant to change. Most things are.... But we should'nt fear it, we ought to embrace it. with _open_ eyes of course. :)
Religions deal with rules and regulations for the masses. Not for those who can think for themselves.
There's a subject I've toughed upon briefly in the past, but I stalled mid-way. It's way too controversial to post publicly.. Too many people would be psychologically and emotionally hurt. Especially taking into consideration the fact that in India, there's still a sentiment toward ones own caste, faith and religion.
Call me a coward, but I'll stay away from the origin of religion and God. I've been privy to a few very insightful truths about the origin of Hinduism and the caste structure that it is built upon. But I'm scared (really!) to post in public about these revelations.
OHMYGOD...i might've to agree.. ummm....i do've belief in GOD..i can't just take anything away from my mind just like that..it's there thas it! THANKS FOR TAKIN TIME
Belief in a God is not a bad thing. All I'm saying, is that it's a human construct. It's not good or bad, it's like a crutch. You break your leg, you use a crutch to support you.
Some people, they never do stop using their crutches, because they become psychologically so dependant no it with the passage of time, that after a while, they truly believe that a life does not exist without it.
Still, I said so earlier, and I say so again, The comparison I've just drawn is metaphorical. I don't mean to imply that these human consructs are crutches. :P But you get the drift, don't you? It's like a tool.
It helps us achieve ends, and it does so from a psychological perspective. There's no omnipotent guy in the sky who wills "Let there be light!" and a nuclear fusion reactor appears in space within the orbit of Mercury and its mates. :o)
Most of my sources are full and far apart. I started off with "The Search for Psychic Power" by David Hammond. That was when I was six and a half years old, and it served to get me interested in the field itself
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I hear ya! The 'God" of our creation really is there. Right beside you "walking with you all the way". He is the omnipotent being that takes care of you "like a mother comforts you". And this is the still small voice within you which you learn to crush with high faluting education and logic. We are the "gods of our own idolotary". Never underestimate yourself. we do this every day by deciding what we can do and what we can't do. These are self imposed limits. Don't decide to jump off the Empire State Building without wings coz you would have be scraped off the pavement, but, yes, you can decide you want to do something and then use your ceativity to innovate a new way of getting to the bottom or the top. The choice is always our own so why not exert it and stop blaming agencies like karma, God, religion or "someone" for ones own inefficiency or success!
If moses had jumped off the Empire State Building (non-existent in his time), I'm quite certain his God would have stood by and watched as he was flattened at pavement level. If, on the other hand, he used a parachute (non-existent in those days), his people would have believed that God saved him from instant death, God gave him wings or something.
The question is _not_ what can or cannot be done. Instead, it is a question of belief in a support system or belief in reality.
The choice, as you say, does indeed exist. To the bottom, or to the top. However, the thing about choices, is that we should decide on making them, based on understanding and faith (where relevant), not on mere faith alone. :o)
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Just wanted to know what "blindly" meant there.
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Unwilling to discern or judge, UNQUESTIONING 'blind faith' having no regard to rational discrimination, guidance, or restriction, lacking a directing or controlling consciousness, made or done without sight of certain knowledge of certain facts that could serve for guidance....
I thought the term blind was connotated enough to imply the 'blind faith' accent on the phrase.
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"a directing or controlling consciousness" - is what leads a person into faith...atleast thats what I have...
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made or done without sight of "certain knowledge" of "certain facts" that could serve for guidance....
what knowledge of the fact that it will have to swim for the rest of its life, do you think a new born fish has?
What knowledge of the fact that it is not safe to get close to acid does a "cell" have when left in between blood and acid?? why does it move towards blood?
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He must have seen fledglings falling out of nests. he'd also have noticed that birds with broken wings stayed on the ground. He'd have noticed that those wings flapped against the 'ether' which provided it with the ability to stay in the air. Work is being done!
Newton would undoubtedly not have thought of bird wings as levitation devices. I'm quite certain of that. Have you ever wondered why the heck birds stay up in the air? Frankly, as a kid, I did wonder abut why things fall, but the fact of birds staying in the air was glaringly obvious to me. I can't see why Newton, being who he was, would'nt have seen that at his age!
....new born fish has?Golly! Are you trying to tell me that God is busy guiding fish? Are you saying that there's no such thing as genetic consciousness? That chemical combinations of certain DNA fragments identify the fact that specific behavior will be exhibited? From what I ( ... )
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You see, the sciences, literature, blah-blah, etceterra have all been advancing through the ages.... But Religion? It's been stuck like this for centuries. According to the texts I've read, it seems that religion did indeed have a period of advancements in the form of change. But sadly, there's absolutely no evidence of anything further being evolved.
There have been newer religions that have sprung up from time to time. Sadly, even those stop evolvnig and begin a downturn.
They're outdated and they're not doing anything to look intelligently at the changing world around them.
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If you take things from a completeli literal sense, then its a lot to expect that it will b entireli relevant to u and that nothing should change :) It's just that humans r humans..and they don't likee change. Wherever they can stop things changing they will :)
So I guess a religion doesn't needd to be completeli dynamic, it just needs to highlight the lessons that are in between the lines... which is hard...because although those lessons r timeless they require more thinking :P
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Humans are resistant to change. Most things are.... But we should'nt fear it, we ought to embrace it. with _open_ eyes of course. :)
Religions deal with rules and regulations for the masses. Not for those who can think for themselves.
There's a subject I've toughed upon briefly in the past, but I stalled mid-way. It's way too controversial to post publicly.. Too many people would be psychologically and emotionally hurt. Especially taking into consideration the fact that in India, there's still a sentiment toward ones own caste, faith and religion.
Call me a coward, but I'll stay away from the origin of religion and God. I've been privy to a few very insightful truths about the origin of Hinduism and the caste structure that it is built upon. But I'm scared (really!) to post in public about these revelations.
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ummm....i do've belief in GOD..i can't just take anything away from my mind just like that..it's there thas it!
THANKS FOR TAKIN TIME
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Some people, they never do stop using their crutches, because they become psychologically so dependant no it with the passage of time, that after a while, they truly believe that a life does not exist without it.
Still, I said so earlier, and I say so again, The comparison I've just drawn is metaphorical. I don't mean to imply that these human consructs are crutches. :P But you get the drift, don't you? It's like a tool.
It helps us achieve ends, and it does so from a psychological perspective. There's no omnipotent guy in the sky who wills "Let there be light!" and a nuclear fusion reactor appears in space within the orbit of Mercury and its mates. :o)
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The question is _not_ what can or cannot be done. Instead, it is a question of belief in a support system or belief in reality.
The choice, as you say, does indeed exist. To the bottom, or to the top. However, the thing about choices, is that we should decide on making them, based on understanding and faith (where relevant), not on mere faith alone. :o)
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