wilt thou, E. Ver, be a foul-mouthed and calumnious knave?

[angevin2]

THIS MOVIE LOOKS LIKE THE BIGGEST PIECE OF CINEMATIC POO SINCE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT

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I MEAN

WHAT

WHY

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ALSO JACOBI IS MAKING IT V DIFFICULT TO IGNORE HIS UNFORTUNATE AND BENIGHTED OPINIONS

IF YOU TOLD ME SHAKESPEARE NEVER WROTE A SINGLE WORD

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[kip_w]

Here; maybe this'll help: The third play (Henry V, Part 1) ends after the triumph of Agincourt with Hal winning the daughter of the king of France and being made heir to France, at the cusp of his real achievement. If it had been his glory that drew Shakespeare he’d have gone on to make his “cockpit” show the rest of Europe and the Middle East and all Hal’s conquests there. Instead, he begins again with Hal an old man himself at eighty-five, king of all he surveys, but with nobody to love, both his sons dead, tricked to the last, and his grandson and heir afraid of him.
(In other news, the Librivox recording of "Tam Lin" is up, and I don't sound too awful in it.)

[dramaturgca]

I KNOW RIGHT? OMG, WHHYYYYYYYY? AND WHY IS DEREK JACOBI SO WROOOOOONG?!

[angevin2]

It's some sort of sick cosmic irony that a strong candidate for "greatest living Shakespearean actor" could miss something so big as that, isn't it?

[dramaturgca]

It really really is. I just... I can't... MAKES NO SENSE.

EVERY TIME AN ACTOR SAYS "I DON'T BELIEVE IN SHAKESPEARE" SOME WHERE A LOST PLAY FALLS DOWN DEAD.

[angevin2]

THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T FIND CARDENIO.

THE DOUBLE FALSEHOOD SO DOES NOT COUNT.

[highfantastical]

I want to BITE him.

HOW EVEN CAN HE. I truly struggle with loving his Richard as much as I do (i.e. it is my favourite Shakespearean performance by ANY MALE ACTOR) and yet knowing he holds Those Views. And he certainly doesn't have the excuse of being poorly educated. Bad show, I say.

I blame my spelling!fail on EXCESS EMOTION.

[angevin2]

The really sad thing is that if you ever read any remarks by him about aspects of Shakespeare that do not have to do with authorship they are QUITE SENSIBLE. Like, my BA thesis opens with some comments he made about playing Richard, and they are completely lovely and on-target.

BUT. THEN HE HAS SUCH STUPID IDEAS ABOUT AUTHORSHIP. I MEAN, WE MIGHT EXPECT IT FROM MARK RYLANCE, WHO IS CLEARLY FROM A DIFFERENT PLANET, BUT NOT JACOBI.

I don't feel that there's any problem with loving his Richard, or his astonishing King Lear, but it is, nevertheless, very sad when people think stupid things. And I really don't understand how actors, especially, can be antistratfordians. I mean, the plays are clearly steeped in knowledge of the theater both as profession and as physical space, and that is not something one could say of Oxford.

(I also don't know why people have latched onto Edward de Vere as supposed author; he was by all accounts a horrible person, and demonstrably a crummy poet.)

[highfantastical]

Oh yeah, nothing actually CAN shake my love, it's just reconciling it with the Views that's hard, in a brain-breaking way. Normally I try to forget, but as you say, HE IS NOT HELPING WITH THAT. When I was at sixth form college, the English dept. was led by a bevy of Oxfordians. They were all really committed to their bizarre cause; of course now I wonder whether, had I cultivated them, one of them might have been able to introduce me to Jacobi... /shallow

And I KNOW, what on earth is the attraction of E. de Vere? It's so odd.

[murasaki_1966]

Which Richard, II or III?

[evewithanapple]

SUFFICE IT TO SAY

THAT EDWARD DE VERE WAS A REAL MOTHERFUCKER

I AM DYING

AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY

[angevin2]

I AM NOT EVEN MAKING IT UP

IN THE MOVIE

HIS MOTHER WAS ELIZABETH

AND THEY HAD AN INCESTUOUS RELATIONSHIP THAT PRODUCED SOUTHAMPTON

[murasaki_1966]

Oh dear.

[skirmish_of_wit]

D: D: D:

[a_t_rain]

Here; read this. It will make everything much better.

[angevin2]

I saw that, and it is PURE LOVE.

commodorified and I came up with a similar theory a while back, except in our version Oxford hired Shakespeare (who was, at the time, young and strapped for cash) to write some poetry he could pass off as his because writing poetry was the Done Thing. It's not very good because Shakespeare did a half-assed job, figuring it was good enough for an earl. ;)

[a_t_rain]

SAA is really freaking BORING without you. I just wanted to add.

[angevin2]

I wish I could have gone! I really wanted to but I have no money and no paper! :(