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gonzo21 October 20 2017, 11:08:50 UTC
I honestly thought smacking was already banned in Scotland.

And yeah, I don't understand the mentality of people who say 'We need to have the EU believe we will walk away without a deal because they need to take us seriously'. Of course they don't take 'no deal' as a serious threat, it's the equivalent of a toddler throwing a temper tantrum in a supermarket, it's just embaressing to threaten that we'll all blow our own heads off with a shotgun if we don't get our way.

But hey. That's Brexit eh.

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kalimac October 20 2017, 16:04:51 UTC
But it is a serious threat. If things don't change, and change fast - which would probably require a change of government, and that's not going to happen that soon - exit without a deal is exactly what's going to happen.

The difference is, it's not a threat to the EU. If the UK wants to blow its own head off, the EU won't suffer that much, and it will have the supreme compensating advantage of discouraging anyone else from trying the same thing. They're not going to stop the UK from doing something stupid if it really wants to, and they've made that clear, and the UK really wants to.

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gonzo21 October 20 2017, 16:18:02 UTC
I'm starting to wonder the extent to which hard brexiteers are being backed by Russian/Chinese/American money.

There seems to have been a lot of dirty money being spent by them during the campaign. And... it's increasingly to me looking like a foreign intelligence operation to wreck the UK and damage the EU.

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skington October 20 2017, 17:36:13 UTC
I've read that the sort of people who make money by swooping into a country that's on its uppers and making off with infrastructure cheap are backing hard Brexit.

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