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momentsmusicaux November 20 2016, 14:00:07 UTC
I think I've seen that toilet thing in Edinburgh too. Can't remember where. Could have been a dream that I think is real due to sleep deprivation...

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mlknchz November 20 2016, 19:50:53 UTC
Why is a tax automatically better than a pay-by-use fee?

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darkoshi November 20 2016, 20:44:52 UTC
I don't know about it "automatically" being better. But if there is no per-use fee, then people who can't afford or who don't want to pay (or who don't have the right change) can still have easy access to a toilet rather than going behind some bushes or in an alleyway, the latter which makes those parts of the city less pleasant for other people. It also frees up the business from having to keep track of people entering the bathroom, and collecting the fee and dispensing change, and/or from having to set up coin-activated bathroom doors and such.

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momentsmusicaux November 20 2016, 20:51:37 UTC
For starters, if you pay by use, then some people will inevitable opt to piss in the street, either to save money or because they don't have it on them. If they've already paid for it, they'll use it.

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nancylebov November 21 2016, 03:26:01 UTC
I've wondered about giving a tax break to businesses which make their toilets open to the public.

Another angle on jobs:

https://srconstantin.wordpress.com/2016/11/19/industry-matters/

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danieldwilliam November 22 2016, 12:16:06 UTC
The Forsetti piece was very thought provoking ( ... )

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andrewducker November 22 2016, 13:15:00 UTC
I completely agree that it would have been better as a dialogue.

But I think that the liberal side of things should have started that dialogue a long time ago, and spent more time on how we were going to deal with inequality and changing circumstances, and made sure that what we were doing was better for everyone.

But we've had too many politicians who either didn't have the vision or the will to try and sell that vision.

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danieldwilliam November 22 2016, 16:10:28 UTC
Yeah - probably the time to talk about how globalisation and automation was going to work out was before the Great Financial Crash but we didn't and here we are. I'm not sure we had a good understanding of how those things were going to work out until after the GFC. As Warren Buffet remarks, it's not until the tide goes out that you find out who isn't wearing bathing trunks ( ... )

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apostle_of_eris November 24 2016, 15:24:00 UTC
Forty years ago (things might be better today) I spent three months in Australia, and concluded that the Aussies have only four senses: no sense of taste at all. Which I attributed to their tea. I have sat in a kitchen chatting, had the host make a pot of tea, and seen people pour another cup from the pot which never had the leaves removed thirty or forty minutes later . . .

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Indiana Jones apostle_of_eris November 24 2016, 15:25:20 UTC
And when Spielberg made his give-me-my-Oscar-you-fuckers movie, he went with Nazis again, Schindler’s List . . .

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