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danieldwilliam May 30 2016, 11:21:46 UTC
Based on my limited observations of the process of government I'd agree with Marco Biago.

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andrewducker May 30 2016, 13:16:35 UTC
He does seem to have his head screwed on.

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danieldwilliam May 30 2016, 11:28:05 UTC
On the PhD thing. 1/3rd difference in salary between men and women.

That's a 33% gap. 11% explained by the gap between married women with children and others.

So 22% driven by choice of field.

But also, for 11% of the 33% of the difference between all women and all men to be driven just by the difference in pay related to married women with children the difference between the pay of married women with children and all men and women without kids must be quite a bit larger than 11%.

I wonder how much of the gap driven by being a married woman with kids is driven by real factors and how much is opportunistic pricing by employers.

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andrewducker May 30 2016, 13:17:40 UTC
Good question. I'd love to see more detail there - and which behaviours precisely are driving that.

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danieldwilliam May 30 2016, 13:38:11 UTC
I think it would be a useful thing to know. Opportunistic pricing ought to be stamped on with a heavy boot. Real factors are going to show up somewhere. Even if we change the distribution child care and house work I think we'll still be left with a rump of pay differential between people with kids and people without. Pre-tax and transfer payments that is.

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cybik May 30 2016, 15:57:46 UTC
I'd also like to know whether the fields women go into are paid less because more women go into them and therefore are devalued, or whether those fields are paid less for other reasons.

(This is what I mean: https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/devaluing-and-revaluing-womens-work/)

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channelpenguin May 30 2016, 17:18:20 UTC

I'm personally digging myself out from the consequences of crashing right through a personal life Threshold of Misery back in 2012/13. It's *still* hard to feel that things matter in the way they used to.

Code, though, with that I always seem to stay away from the edge. Odd.

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