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gonzo21 January 26 2016, 12:15:33 UTC
I really sometimes feel like the media has a weird case of Emperor's New Clothes when it comes to doctor who. As you say, the problem with Moffat is that with the exception of his first season, most of the rest of it has pretty much sucked.

This last season was a little better here and there. But the previous season was so bad that most of it was almost unwatchable. And as for the season before. Or ye gods, the Christmas specials. ~shudders~ Trenzalore eh? Fuck-off-a-saur.

Now sure, there's still plenty folks who enjoy it. But there's also plenty folks like me for whom watching Who has become a burden done in the expectation that it might get better, rather than something done for fun.

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danieldwilliam January 26 2016, 13:09:04 UTC
Yeah, I don't dislike Moffat because of his tone.

I dislike Moffat because his work is poor. In particular, he tends to not make choices. Everything has an undo button or an ignore button or a got distracted by this other idea I had and didn't finish it button.

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gonzo21 January 26 2016, 13:18:42 UTC
Aye, exactly. I don't have a problem with most of the things typically cited. My problem is he keeps on turning in these unfinished barely polished first-draft scripts for what should be the BBCs flagship drama, and nobody is saying to him, uh, dude, go away and rewrite this piece of crap, it's awful.

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heron61 January 26 2016, 21:43:33 UTC
This last season was a little better here and there. But the previous season was so bad that most of it was almost unwatchable. And as for the season before. Or ye gods, the Christmas specials. ~shudders~ Trenzalore eh? Fuck-off-a-saur.

Absolutely. Season 7 dragged on and on, Season 8 was terrible, and massively sexist (the Doctor repeatedly negging Clara was especially obnoxious). Season 9 was considerably better wrt sexism, and I quite liked the last two episodes (for once) but was overall rather meh.

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bart_calendar January 26 2016, 12:17:09 UTC
I'd love more details on that incest law.

If we are talking about adult cousins or adult step children, why not?

If we are talking about Dad waiting until his daughter is 21 to fuck her, my opinion changes.

With genetic siblings it becomes more complex. I remember back in college reading that twins will often have sexual relations with each other - both as children and adults and I find that not particularly surprising and also doubt that there is a power imbalance going on there.

Also, I knew a set of bisexual identical male twins in university would were super into threesomes with women and who would blow each other and stuff as part of the threesome experience (mostly to turn the women on.) Is that incest or just kink? I'm not sure.

Adult non twin siblings would depend on the power balance involved.

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alitheapipkin January 26 2016, 12:36:17 UTC
https://www.scottish.parliament.uk/GettingInvolved/Petitions/ACI looks to have all the details of the petition that has been lodged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_incest#United_Kingdom suggests first cousins is only issue for under 18s and not considered incest.

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gonzo21 January 26 2016, 12:42:06 UTC
I wonder how many signatures it got.

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alitheapipkin January 26 2016, 12:51:34 UTC
Zero according to the pdf - the guy submitted it without collecting any.

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benicek January 26 2016, 12:20:54 UTC
Netflix reigns in my household. My 8-year-old watches little else, except for a bit of BBC iplayer. We got rid of the TV.

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bohemiancoast January 26 2016, 12:43:17 UTC
Hey, what's wrong with Scottish Cultural Appropriation? And I definitely have Scottish heritage and even lived there for a while.

Marianne was shocked to discover that she'd have to take active steps to eat haggis yesterday and wouldn't just automatically get served it in Hall. So has missed out. She could have found a Burns night ceilidh to go to at the weekend and I think that's her plan for next year, and I've promised her haggis for the Easter hols (we do eat haggis more than once a year round here. Just about.)

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naath January 26 2016, 13:35:21 UTC
I did demonstration dancing for a Burns night ceilidh and thus got free haggis :-p Only night of the year when I get to dance for my supper.

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danieldwilliam January 26 2016, 13:06:18 UTC
I'm not sure I'd describe Burns as Highland or even particularly working class.

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cybik January 26 2016, 13:20:10 UTC
The satire is spot on about non-Scottish people assuming that the Highlands is the entirety of the country..

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danieldwilliam January 26 2016, 14:32:27 UTC
Oh totally.

I once had a long conversation with an American acquaitance where he refused to accept that neither Glasgow or Edinburgh were particularly keen on the Jacobites because we were all Highlanders and part of the clan system.

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gonzo21 January 26 2016, 14:44:56 UTC
Or indeed how we Highlanders use the term 'sassenach' to refer to everybody south of the HIghland Fault Boundary, including Glasgow/Edinburgh folks, who are all 'saff lowlanders'.

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