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bart_calendar June 6 2015, 11:37:47 UTC
The Vice thing really pisses me off.

Karl has worked so fucking hard on his site to have them just come in and steal his idea and his branding is so fucked up.

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andrewducker June 6 2015, 12:07:26 UTC
Yeah - and it's not like he's not being reasonable about it - he wants other people to copy his idea and cover things outside of London. But copying his branding is just fucked up!

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bart_calendar June 6 2015, 12:10:13 UTC
Yep.

And Vice last week went into their archives and added new "fuck london" tags to a bunch of their older stories to make it look like they'd had the idea before him. They did this really obviously - the tags stop exactly one day before his launch, so it's clear they are reacting to him.

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kalimac June 6 2015, 12:24:48 UTC
"Andy Murray declares himself a feminist after staggering criticism of his female coach"

I read this one, even though I'd never heard of Andy Murray, to find out whether this title meant that Murray was a hero who was defending his coach from other people's criticism of her, or a hypocrite who criticized his coach and then claimed he was really a feminist. (There are people like that, though "staggering" would be the mildest description of one's reaction to them.) Fortunately it was the former.

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Saved Me A Click davidcook June 6 2015, 13:16:22 UTC
Oh good, it wasn't just me that was wondering :)

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andrewducker June 6 2015, 13:22:49 UTC
Yes, in retrospect that could have been clearer!

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alitheapipkin June 6 2015, 14:10:54 UTC
The sexism in tennis is really staggering, I still haven't got over the way Marian Bartoli was talked about when she won Wimbledon, I was spitting blood at John Inverdale, I've regretted not writing an exceptionally angry letter to the BBC about it ever since.

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andrewducker June 6 2015, 16:56:29 UTC
Not following tennis, I've missed all of this. What happened?

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alitheapipkin June 6 2015, 18:16:21 UTC
There were an awful lot of disparaging comments about her 'not being built like an athlete' (i.e not skinny) and the like, to the extent that they were basically implying that women's tennis was some sort of joke because a short, stocky* woman won an international competition. Oh and he basically said she was ugly ('never be a looker' was the exact phrase it would appear).

Apparently he later wrote a personal letter of apology to her, but the fact that he ever thought it was appropriate to speak that way in the first place says a lot, particularly as no-one else on the presenting team felt the need to challenge him about it at the time.

*In comparison obviously.

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andrewducker June 6 2015, 19:26:33 UTC
Jesus. Yes, that's terrible.

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momentsmusicaux June 6 2015, 16:49:23 UTC
Big company copies the good ideas of a smaller, newer one, then muscles in... I'm hardly surprised :/

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