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momentsmusicaux February 9 2015, 11:25:33 UTC
Huh. I have no idea how to distinguish between lower middle class and middle middle class, say.

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andrewducker February 9 2015, 11:36:22 UTC
Lower middle class are generally people who recently entered the middle classes, and aren't very secure in it (either financially or culturally) - they still have "tells" that they are of working-class origins, close family members who are working class, and don't act as if being middle class is natural to them.

Middle middle class know that they are middle class, because that's the way the universe has always been, and always will be. In fact, they're probably not aware, most of the time, that there are other ways to be :->

(Off the top of my head. I'm sure others would feel differently.)

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momentsmusicaux February 9 2015, 13:20:21 UTC
I suspect that growing up half French, AND in a city where you were posh if you owned more than a dozen books, my perception of this is all a bit wonky.

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heyokish February 9 2015, 13:37:41 UTC
regional differences can complicate things, but not _that_ much. Pesky Frenchness, however, is an entirely different story.

Quick and pretty much perfect test for spotting an Englisher's class without hearing them speak out loud or seeing what they are wearing:

What do you call the piece of furniture that more than one person can sit on at a time?
What is the name of the room it's in?
What is the meal in the middle of the day?
What's for tea?
What do you call the room where you go for a wee?
What do you say when you miss what someone has said during a conversation?

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lovelyangel February 9 2015, 12:43:08 UTC
I love Ensign Sue - enough to buy all the printed booklets and support the artist and writer! (Plus I like having permanent copies of the strips for my comics library.)

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Union boss goes Green against Miliband's 'red Conservatives' cartesiandaemon February 9 2015, 14:07:28 UTC
Yeah, I was wondering when this was going to start happening, when I realised how much support labour still got from unions.

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Re: Union boss goes Green against Miliband's 'red Conservatives' 0olong February 9 2015, 14:22:34 UTC
Many of us have been wondering this for some years. ;)

It's really quite puzzling how much support the Labour Party do still get from unions - a combination of inertia and thinking it's better to try to steer from inside, I guess?

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Re: Union boss goes Green against Miliband's 'red Conservatives' awesomelies February 9 2015, 15:37:00 UTC
"RMT president* opposes Labour" isn't really the news there - RMT disaffiliated more than a decade ago and has been backing TUSC in elections in the last few years. It's the prominent support for the Greens as a party of the left that's eye-catching.

* Gawd I hate the phrase "union boss". Bosses aren't elected, usually

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octopoid_horror February 9 2015, 17:55:32 UTC
re class: read that book I gave you ;-)

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