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gonzo21 June 21 2014, 11:17:37 UTC

End of GoT Season 4 spoiler warning ( ... )

andrewducker June 21 2014, 11:26:27 UTC

It's not even that she was going to raise the alarm - she went for a knife, they struggled, he falls off the bed with his hand on the chain - his options are to let go and try to reason with her, strangle her until he thinks she's passed out and stop before she dies, or keep strangling her until she's dead.

The first basically kills him, the second risks killing him, the third is the safe option, and the one he goes for.

I think the fact that we never get to know how much of what she said, and what her side of the story is, is more of a bias, to be honest - did she ever love him? Did she turn against him when he tried to send her away? Or what?

I think the story is generally about creepy unpleasant people. Which as a choice, is fine by me. What bothers me more is the people who look at the characters and decide that some of them are actually nice. Like the people who decided that because Jaime was nice to Brienne he was a Good Guy, ignoring his previous awful actions!

gonzo21 June 21 2014, 11:43:16 UTC

I think the investment of people (myself included) in having been wanting Jaime to be on a redemptative story-arc is precisely because the vast majority of the characters are creepy and unpleasant? And when I engage with stories, I like to have people I can root for. Stories... usually have heroes ( ... )

andrewducker June 21 2014, 15:13:01 UTC

I don't think George believes in redemptive story-arcs. I don't think he believes that real people work that way. _Some_ people might learn things, but nothing so simple as "becoming a better person". All of his characters have done good things and bad things (well, with a couple of exceptions), and they're a mixture of different impulses, needs, and drives.

I did like that Tyrion clearly felt awful about killing Shae. And yeah, it's hard to tell about her switching sides, although I have seen people go from completely in love to hating the person who pushed them away.

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Game of all the Game of Thrones articles snarlish June 21 2014, 12:22:10 UTC

I haven't noticed if you've bookmarked this yet, Mr Ducker:
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2014/may/13/game-of-thrones-monty-python

Re: Game of all the Game of Thrones articles andrewducker June 21 2014, 15:15:25 UTC

Hadn't bookmarked it, but I had heard about the Python joke, which I thought was lovely.

It#'s not just the TV series either - in the book there's a scene with the Three Stooges:
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/58036-finally-found-the-three-stooges-in-a-game-of-thrones/

Re: Game of all the Game of Thrones articles snarlish June 21 2014, 15:31:16 UTC

ha ha, that's a nice one.

Ducks rhythmaning June 22 2014, 17:18:01 UTC

...Bird flu...!

Re: Ducks andrewducker June 22 2014, 17:24:19 UTC

I'm fairly sure none of them flu!

del_c June 22 2014, 19:57:44 UTC

Whoopee ti yi yo, git along little duckies...