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Airline Funding danieldwilliam June 16 2014, 11:40:27 UTC
I recall seeing a one line comment from someone who might know that the net profit made by commercial airlines since the Wright Brothers was zero.

I have no idea if this is true but it certainly prompts some questions about how a Hungarian start up is going to make money competing with the likes of EasyJet, British Airways, Lufthansa, KLM and the like.

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Re: Airline Funding andrewducker June 16 2014, 11:47:58 UTC
I wonder how that varies over time between industries.

And how meaningful it is - does that count reinvestment? Dividends?

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Re: Airline Funding philmophlegm June 16 2014, 11:58:53 UTC
'Net profit' would be before dividends and after depreciation / amortisation of tangible / intangible assets invested in.

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Re: Airline Funding andrewducker June 16 2014, 13:49:41 UTC
Gotcha.

I wonder if there's a sliding scale of industries, where some return massive gains, airlines are neutral, and football clubs cost you a fortune.

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philmophlegm June 16 2014, 11:57:20 UTC
Some thoughts on that 35% / 43% tax story ( ... )

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andrewducker June 16 2014, 13:51:57 UTC
Thank you - the IFS link was particularly good there.

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philmophlegm June 16 2014, 15:36:14 UTC
Reading that back, there's something I'd like to qualify. We don't quite know _all_ about the Laffer Curve, since at any one time for any one tax jurisdiction we can only guess where we are on the curve.

It didn't take a genius to realise that France was on the wrong part to start raising taxes, but that doesn't tell us about where the UK is (or even if our curve is in the same place relative to the axes - our curve might be more favourably sloped because of our generally more liberal economy).

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del_c June 17 2014, 09:46:46 UTC
If they're paying it all out in rent and retire with nothing, I'll concede they were poor, but I'll wonder what they were doing wrong that most £50k earners aren't, and wonder what they thought they were doing moving to London. If the £50k professionals are incomers (statistically an overwhelming likelihood) then that's what we call a "revealed preference", and I don't take their complaints of poverty seriously.

More likely they're saving for the house they "can't" afford, will buy it, will continue paying in mortgage and say that's just like rent, then sell up and retire. This, by a neat coincidence, is a lot like the airline case above, where I buy an airline, grow it, and sell it on. *It* didn't make a profit because it was always buying assets, but I sure did.

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octopoid_horror June 16 2014, 18:41:08 UTC
Regarding the fish oil - I know plenty of people at work who firmly believe that buying branded medicines (for example, nurofen or beechams) which have the same ingredients as supermarket/pharmacy own brand ones that cost sometimes a tenth of the price is a better idea because the first item is a ~brand~ so is better. Even though it contains exactly the same active ingredients.

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andrewducker June 16 2014, 18:42:24 UTC
The sad thing is, that they're right - but only because they believe they are!

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octopoid_horror June 16 2014, 18:46:35 UTC
But I'm -also- right, and have spent less money :-D

Fish oil would also be something that you can spend an awful lot of money on if you buy ridiculous premium brands or care about what kind of fish it comes from.

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andrewducker June 16 2014, 18:47:22 UTC
I hear that oil from a fish from the wrong side of the tracks makes you worse.

And yes - cheap knockoff painkillers are hte best.

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