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momentsmusicaux November 7 2013, 11:07:11 UTC
I am sceptical about the personal change thing. For one thing, surely political change brings about personal change through changes in laws and so on?
Secondly, I am wary that it's just a nice comforting way for us to all let ourselves off the hook, start turning up the heating and stop recycling and book flights to wherever the fuck.

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andrewducker November 7 2013, 11:11:15 UTC
I didn't read it as "Don't make personal change" but as "Don't be fooled into thinking that personal change is anywhere near enough"

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andrewducker November 7 2013, 11:49:05 UTC
Oh, and laws definitely lead to personal change - which is why bringing in a plastic bag tax, for instance, leads to a 90-odd percent drop in bags. But saying "I use long term bags, go me!" doesn't have as much of a change :->

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momentsmusicaux November 7 2013, 12:04:41 UTC
But we have rubbish politicians who only pass laws when they think public opinion is behind them (unlike, say, lizards, who would just do the right thing). So plastic bag law will only happen when there's vanguard of people who are already doing it. Otherwise you get loads of people complaining, say, about councils only collecting bins every fortnight, and then Eric Pickles being a shithead.

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This is why you should all be watching The Almighty Johnsons cartesiandaemon November 7 2013, 12:40:25 UTC
OK, I'm going to buy this now :)

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ice_hesitant November 7 2013, 14:25:45 UTC
The third option, acting decisively to stop the industrial economy, is very scary for a number of reasons, including but not restricted to the fact that we’d lose some of the luxuries (like electricity)

Team Abolish Electricity is not very appealing.

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andrewducker November 7 2013, 17:18:19 UTC
I agree. I like me my electricity.

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