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xenophanean August 18 2013, 12:58:22 UTC
Yeah, now the prices have doubled, the trains are slightly more efficient, Yay Capitalism! They're nearly as punctual as European trains (pity they're half the speed and twice the price).

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andrewducker August 18 2013, 14:05:22 UTC
Britain is only more expensive than Europe on peak/commuter fares - the rest of the time we're cheaper/about the same:
http://www.seat61.com/uk-europe-train-fares-comparison.html#.UhDUQRComH8

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xenophanean August 18 2013, 19:04:21 UTC
This doesn't match up with my results searching just now. My results from ( ... )

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nojay August 18 2013, 20:26:18 UTC
Shinkansen, Tokyo to Nagoya

Distance:~ 220km (about 160 miles)

Time:~ 1:40 (Nozomi, the fastest service)

Price: 10800 yen one-way, about £80 at current exchange rates (a few months ago it would have been a lot more in sterling, £100 at least). All journeys are one-way, no return tickets at lower cost.

No off-peak price tickets available, some ticket scalping does happen but it's not condoned by JR-West who run the Sanyo route. There are occasional special deals for regular JR travel (seishun 18 kippu etc.) but rarely on shinkansen routes.

From what I understand the various JR companies are privately owned but have tight connections with the Japanese government. If they are subsidised it's not clear to outsiders just how it's done.

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dreema August 18 2013, 13:17:13 UTC
Lol, first glance and it was Dennis the Erection koala...

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swisstone August 18 2013, 17:08:51 UTC
The trouble with Birrell's article is that it's a classic post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy - all this happened after privatization, therefore, it must be because of privatization, He may be right, but he hasn't really advanced any evidence. He also slants his case rather illegitimately. Clearly (and contra Birrell's implication) investment would not have stopped had BR continued to exist, they probably would have found some way to compete with the sudden cheapness of coach and air travel (they'd have had to), and the increase in passenger numbers could be as much due to the increasing costs and difficulties of road travel as to successful marketing by the TOCs. He exaggerates the poor service under BR and elides it for the present, when delays and dirty trains and surly staff are still known. Worst of all, he only accepts two possible models - underinvested public ownership, or privatization. Some of us envision the possibility that a properly-funded public railway could have delivered the service improvements and increased ( ... )

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andrewducker August 18 2013, 17:13:46 UTC
Good points, well made :->

I do agree that he slants things, and I'd love to know what a publicly funded rail system that got the same amount of subsidy that the privately run one does would look like.

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momentsmusicaux August 18 2013, 17:36:51 UTC
Much better put than I could have. I just think that article is total fucking bollocks from start to finish.

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andrewducker August 18 2013, 17:42:21 UTC
That's not terribly persuasive.

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momentsmusicaux August 18 2013, 17:50:21 UTC
Do Australians have to number all the boxes?
Here I've always seen instructions to the effect that you can stop your numbers 'when you no longer wish to express a preference'.

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andrewducker August 18 2013, 18:05:22 UTC
Depends on the system. AV over here wouldn't have required you to fill in all of the boxes. Over there they clearly did - in fact they have compulsory voting, and an interesting "above the line/below the line" system, whereby you can either vote for all of your preferences in turn, or say "I vote for party X first, and then I'm happy to follow their preferences after that"

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skington August 18 2013, 20:25:06 UTC
Given the secret ballot, how you could enforce any penalty?

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danieldwilliam August 19 2013, 09:40:00 UTC
IIRC you are required to turn up to vote and having your name ticked off and being handed your ballot paper fulfils your obligation and avoids the sanction (which again IIRC was about parking ticket levels of cash ( ... )

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privatization apostle_of_eris August 18 2013, 19:21:50 UTC
"Under socialism [sic] you nationalize then destroy. Under capitalism, we destroy then nationalize."

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