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Apr 05, 2008 00:52

Ok, So my grandfather's funerals were on Saturday. The first one was a Catholic funeral. It was to worst funeral EVER. Ther funeral was not about my grandfather. It felt like the church didn't care at all that this person belonged to someone. Like, "Ahh...I'll just use the sermon I used yesterday. Heck, who's gonna notice ( Read more... )

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bluestareyed April 5 2008, 14:14:35 UTC
Jeesits!

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amichandrn April 5 2008, 15:51:50 UTC
Can the world stop for a couple minutes? Please?

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bluestareyed April 5 2008, 16:02:44 UTC
if only...

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mynuet April 5 2008, 15:33:34 UTC
Funnily enough, I don't remember zombies ever being mentioned in the theology classes that went along with my Catholic school enrollment. What was mentioned was the miracle of life everlasting in the company of Our Lord and Savior. And the fact that a requiem mass is a time for connecting with God, not for a song and dance show where people make a big production out of how much they missed the sainted dead person. That's what the vigil is for. The same words are used for masses in the same way that the Our Father isn't rewritten to be suitable for all occasions - we leave that Candle in the Wind bullshit to the Protestants.

You're disgusted by the practice of a faith that's survived in the same format for more than a thousand years? Fine. But it says more about you that you don't feel a basic respect for others - including, presumably, your Catholic grandfather - than it says about the faith itself.

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amichandrn April 5 2008, 15:51:03 UTC
I'm not saying that the entire production has to be about him. I'm saying it should be both. I've actually been to Catholic funerals that were EXTREMELY meaningful and well done. To the point where even I, a non-Christian, felt moved. I believe that in this case, it was the church and the priest that were poor. The entire ceremony was sterile and felt soulless. It was more of a service with "Insert name here" than a service for him.

I'm sorry if I offended you, but I tend to be much more irreverant about religion in general than others, and I can forget that while most of my friends are as well, some are not. I was really venting something that had been festering for a while and the above is the result.

(And FYI, the Zombie! Jesus is a Bones Reference:

Special Agent Seeley Booth: Voodoo! Who's gonna believe that stuff?
Dr. Temperance Brennan: It's a religion, no crazier than... well, what are you?
Special Agent Seeley Booth: Catholic.
Dr. Temperance Brennan: They believe in the same saints you do... in prayer... what they call ( ... )

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mynuet April 5 2008, 16:29:45 UTC
Would you stroll into Mecca and talk about Pig Mohammed? It being a quote is irrelevant; you're the one who chose to repeat it. If you want to call it being irreverent, fine - it's clear you know it's offensive, as you keep mouthing fake apologies, and it's clear that you think it's okay for you to be offensive, since you keep doing it. Obviously that's part of who you are. A really enormously douchey part, but still - all you.

Since I wasn't clear before, I'll state it plainly this time:

The Catholic Requiem is supposed to be the same service with a different name inserted. It's to show the continuity of the faith and the deceased's place in it. The addition of personalizing touches is a new thing, like meant to appeal to the masses whose idea of religion is based entirely on tv shows. Whoever planned your grandfather's funeral obviously opted for a traditional mass. I can only assume that your levels of disgust with tradition were not their top priority in decision making.

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amichandrn April 5 2008, 17:30:15 UTC
*** (Written after a long rant)***

I actually wrote a whole, long bitchy thing. I've edited this heavily, because after I finished, I took a step back, and realized that I was being bitchy and petty. And obnoxious. I suck. And I truly do apologise.

I wasn't trying to attack the Catholic Faith as a whole. I honestly wasn't. Hell, my great aunt is a nun, and she's the most AWESOME person ever. I feel as though the ceremony should have been handled much differently. And I expressed myself poorly. I'm sorry. I will attempt to edit my post accordingly to express my disgust with the ceremony, while not disparaging the faith. Please forgive my for my bitchiness at 1:00 in the morning, because I really do like you and think you're awesome.

However, I am going to use this one piece, which is strictly my personal opinion:

The addition of personalizing touches is a new thing, like meant to appeal to the masses whose idea of religion is based entirely on tv shows.I disagree. I believe that the personalization of funerals is a cultural ( ... )

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meredydd April 9 2008, 01:30:18 UTC
That sucks about the funeral not being as heartfelt and appropriate for the family as it could have been. I'm thinking good things for you. *gloke * And I'm out the door to doula for a woman who's a month early so whee. I think. *MORE HUGS* Seriously. Take as many as you'd like or need.

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hey aimsters50 April 15 2008, 00:41:47 UTC
i kno its kind of late but i just wanted to say sorry about ur grandpop

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