One good thing about today: Mormons goin down. Mormons failing. Mormons pwnd.

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Prop. 8 campaign can't hide donors' names


"If there ever needs to be sunshine on a particular issue, it's a ballot measure," U.S. District Judge Morrison England said after a one-hour hearing in his Sacramento courtroom.
What I relish is that Protect Marriage themselves filed the lawsuit (to strike down the $100 disclosure regulations, modify to

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Schadenfreude or Us vs. Them ?

[anonymous]

Another way of looking at it (rather than that Socialists have rights that Mormons don't) is to acknowledge that certain Protections are by law and ethics afforded to the less Powerful. The same protections do not apply to the powerful and that isn't necessarily unfair. If the Mormon church had a history of persecution at the hands of gays and lesbians, then the situation would be the opposite of what it is.

The hard part is that this reasoning turns powerlessness into a privilege which different groups then compete for. The far right tends to portray itself as an embattled minority, even when it held the majority and the power.

What's to be done? I think that fundamentalists genuinely believe themselves to be victimized by Modernism and everything that came with and after.

What's needed is not Schadenfreude but rather Shodden Freud. Shabby psychoanalysis for oppressors who labor under delusions of being oppressed. But no waterboarding or aversion therapy, lest we become what we seek to overcome.

Kevin K-
monkeytea.org

Oh yeah it's VERY, very Us vs. Them (EXCEPT FOR THE PART WHERE IT'S JUST US vs. US)

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(You're absolutely right about Protections and Power, I was just being snarky.)

The hard part is that this reasoning turns powerlessness into a privilege which different groups then compete for.

This puzzles me. That privilege is surely phantasmatic, no? Isn't that part of the problem of identity politics?

And on the other side (victimized fundamentalists), yes, this is exactly the sore sore spot. How to really speak to the oppressor, especially when it's likely they're your family

Re: Oh yeah it's VERY, very Us vs. Them (EXCEPT FOR THE PART WHERE IT'S JUST US vs. US)

[anonymous]

Wow, I didn't realize how close you are to the mormon issue, as in generations-of-roots-intertwined close.

There's much I don't know about LDS and BSG and even the livejournal terrain so you might say i'm not from around here. Funny you should mention Octavia Butler since I worked with a class in the Bronx (Taft High School, Kubrik's Alma Mater, speaking of the Shining) that was reading that book, and it was intense.

Kevin K-
monkeytea.org

Kubrik's Mater, speaking of the Shining

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See, you're getting the hang of it! We step nimbly from reference to reference. Now all you need is an actual LJ avatar so you can be automatically notified when someone responds to you, Kanonyman. /recruitment

Partisan though I may be, I do think that exmormons have a pretty reliable bullshit detector when it comes to organized religion (in the US anyway). We were a peculiar people, after all. Heh.

And an overwhelming proportion of us didn't just drift away, but instead were so traumatized by the church that, in responding to/recovering from that trauma, we have built up a considerable armament for unpacking stuffed ideology suitcases. That... is a tortured metaphor. But you know what I mean. I don't know that it's entirely unique to exmormons (as opposed to other varieties of the ex-religious), but we sure do know our fundies! Dominionist Fundamentalist, I believe is the term.

Anyway. Prop 8 felt really personal, shall we say.