Re: 2-Re: apogee of illusionalexanderscttbJuly 3 2020, 14:24:17 UTC
Haha, yes! I see that as in essence the overthrow of authoritarian cybernetic control, for us all to become the captains of our ship, in a harbor of ships in a galaxy of harbors.
I’m very much in agreement with you. I do think there’s been a degrading of community by way of communication in how the internet has developed in the past decade or so, certainly exemplified by Twitter as you mentioned. I would throw Facebook in there too.
I think we really have to fight to establish alternative collectivities that are not brought under the umbrella of what the modern internet has become. Do you think it may take the realization of this new generation of folks who grew up with the internet always around, to see through certain totalitarian aspects of the internet, to create more of this thrust which might push back against the dystopia of the internet now?
Re: 2-Re: apogee of illusionpigshitpoetJuly 4 2020, 05:07:21 UTC
[ captains of our ship, in a harbor of ships in a galaxy of harbors ] - that's pure poetry!
twitter and FB are in their infancy if you ask me. if they survive, they could revolutionize the way we live.. as long as it isn't under communist control like china. then i would probably jump off a bridge ; )
[ I think we really have to fight to establish alternative collectivities ] - isn't that the way it's always been at some level? we get back what we put into it.. build it and they shall come ))
so for your the internet is probably like tv for me, only when the internet appeared i stopped watching tv ))
maybe something else will come along to replace the web, like virtual reality, the matrix, we will only exist in theory, like in a video game, no need or want, just processing and consuming. wait, don't we do that now? ha-hah!
Re: 2-Re: apogee of illusionalexanderscttbJuly 4 2020, 15:40:48 UTC
I think you are right to point it out as “the way it’s always been at some level,” I feel like the fight, like the song, remains the same. And this also goes back to that idea of 1984/1948. There’s a mysterious unity to the past/present/future, almost like a chronic trinity, that we may not be fully aware of. (“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past,” Orwell
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Re: 2-Re: apogee of virtualityalexanderscttbJuly 10 2020, 13:28:20 UTC
I’ll let Holland defend himself. He writes, “the point of combining the terms free market and communism in this way is to deploy selected features of the concept of communism to transform capitalist markets to render them truly free and, at the same time, to deploy selected features of the free market to transform communism and free it from a fatal entanglement with the State. The concept is thus designed to cut both ways: it forces orthodox Marxism to acknowledge that hitherto existing communism has featured a centralized authoritarian State and that the free market offers an essential corrective to State-governed social relations; at the same time, the concept forces orthodox champions of capitalism to acknowledge that hitherto existing capitalism has inexorably produced exploitative oligopolies and monopolies that ruin free markets and that communism offers an essential corrective to the wage relation on which capitalist exploitation is based. The point of the paradoxical concept is to force us to think about free markets and about
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RE: Re: 2-Re: apogee of virtualitypigshitpoetJuly 20 2020, 02:49:11 UTC
[ the concept of communism to transform capitalist markets to render them truly free and, at the same time, to deploy selected features of the free market to transform communism and free it from a fatal entanglement with the State... that the free market offers an essential corrective to State-governed social relations; at the same time, the concept forces orthodox champions of capitalism to acknowledge that hitherto existing capitalism has inexorably produced exploitative oligopolies and monopolies that ruin free markets and that communism offers an essential corrective to the wage relation on which capitalist exploitation is based
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Re: the general storealexanderscttbAugust 6 2020, 15:32:09 UTC
To clarify, a “general strike” is “a strike of workers in all or most industries.” This would be an elaboration: “A general strike (or mass strike) is a strike action in which a substantial proportion of the total labour force in a city, region, or country participates. General strikes are characterised by the participation of workers in a multitude of workplaces, and tend to involve entire communities. General strikes first occurred in the mid-19th century, and have characterised many historically important strikes.”
Re: apogee of illusionalexanderscttbJuly 1 2020, 13:32:55 UTC
The question you bring up is an interesting one. I would say I’m strongly opposed to the latter notion, the idea that living necessitates a social structure of behavioral modification. This is a Freudian idea if I’m not mistaken, the idea that the life of the individual is dangerous and unpredictable and hence must be repressed and controlled in someway for society to be able to flourish. On this train of thought I consider myself to be a staunch Reichian. I believe that individuals must be able to flourish psychologically (in Reich’s estimation this would go right along with a Marxist economic revolution and psychosexual liberation) in order for society to flourish, the society that insists on controlling individual behavior for the sake of that society is always already in the mode of the dystopia (or “utopia” in that sense of Brave New World
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Re: apogee of illusionpigshitpoetJuly 2 2020, 18:33:19 UTC
damn, you're making me cry as i read these words. a real thinking human out there somewhere in cyberspace! that butterfly affect is in effect, one word, carefully placed, can move generations.. i believe it not to be so physical or material, but heart connected. we feel everything, even that which we cannot see.
are you familiar with thomas aquinas the city?
"For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad" - Luke 8:17
[ The trick is being able to extract oneself from this control, and to help others also extract themselves ] and i might add, to live one's own truth
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I’m very much in agreement with you. I do think there’s been a degrading of community by way of communication in how the internet has developed in the past decade or so, certainly exemplified by Twitter as you mentioned.
I would throw Facebook in there too.
I think we really have to fight to establish alternative collectivities that are not brought under the umbrella of what the modern internet has become.
Do you think it may take the realization of this new generation of folks who grew up with the internet always around, to see through certain totalitarian aspects of the internet, to create more of this thrust which might push back against the dystopia of the internet now?
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twitter and FB are in their infancy if you ask me. if they survive, they could revolutionize the way we live..
as long as it isn't under communist control like china. then i would probably jump off a bridge
; )
[ I think we really have to fight to establish alternative collectivities ] - isn't that the way it's always been at some level? we get back what we put into it.. build it and they shall come ))
so for your the internet is probably like tv for me, only when the internet appeared i stopped watching tv ))
maybe something else will come along to replace the web, like virtual reality, the matrix, we will only exist in theory,
like in a video game, no need or want, just processing and consuming. wait, don't we do that now?
ha-hah!
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https://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/hakim-bey-temporary-autonomous-zone/
from a couple of years ago, latest essay series on Hakim Bey's work, by Andrew Robinson
it speaks of the internet and our artificial intelligences or as hakim bey calls them,
‘islands in the net’ that form our webs
poetic forms of terrorism and autonomous zones
such as that recently set up in seattle
let me know what you think..
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thanks for your comment
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a real thinking human out there somewhere in cyberspace!
that butterfly affect is in effect, one word, carefully placed, can move generations..
i believe it not to be so physical or material, but heart connected. we feel everything, even that which we cannot see.
are you familiar with thomas aquinas the city?
"For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad" - Luke 8:17
[ The trick is being able to extract oneself from this control, and to help others also extract themselves ] and i might add, to live one's own truth
thanks bro
you made my day
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