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garpu July 11 2009, 06:28:25 UTC
Lois was so awesome. And yeah, I'm bummed about Ianto, too.

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aibhinn July 11 2009, 08:22:27 UTC
I am seriously, seriously bummed. I adore Ianto.

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amberfocus July 11 2009, 06:40:53 UTC
After all the win that Ianto showed in this episode, this was not an acceptable end to this episode for me. Poor Jack's broken heart about killed me.

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aibhinn July 11 2009, 08:22:59 UTC
Oh, I know! at the end (of it all), he's lost everything. He has no coping mechanisms left. None.

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larielromeniel July 11 2009, 06:46:23 UTC
Guessing you're on Ep 5 now...I'm on Windows Live Messenger if you want to chat after....I';; probably be up till 1AM.

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aibhinn July 11 2009, 06:47:06 UTC
Yep, on ep 5 now--will log in soon as I'm done. :D

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dameruth July 11 2009, 07:14:35 UTC
FWIW, I'm writing a followup fic. I'll shoot it in your direction when I'm done . . .

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aibhinn July 11 2009, 07:18:02 UTC
Okay!

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canaana July 11 2009, 08:13:58 UTC
I loved the little break in Jack's voice as he tells Ianto his family are hostages.

The problem is, Ianto thinks Jack's the Doctor. And Jack's just not.

And yet, in a way, Ianto's own decision took his life. He's the one who told Jack no, you just don't agree to something like this. You fight. It's the very noble, very human decision. Sometimes you die for it. I can accept that . . . for Ianto. He deserved the chance to make that decision.

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aibhinn July 11 2009, 08:19:35 UTC
I agree with all of this. And I think Jack would happily have pulled a Doctor here if he could have; if he'd had a way to get Ianto safely out, he'd have done it in a heartbeat, and be damned to what Ianto wanted.

But you know, there are similarities between Jack and the Doctor here--not least is that horrific choice of whether to kill some to save others. Killing Stephen and thereby losing his daughter--and, of course, losing Ianto--means he really did lose his whole world. And from his point of view, it was all his fault.

Wonder if this means Jack's going to be in some of the Specials with Ten....?

I'm off to bed--it's almost 1:30 a.m. here, and I'm yawning fit to crack my jaw. TTYL!

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canaana July 11 2009, 08:32:26 UTC
One can only hope.

Luck with the sleep thing--I'm about to go try that again, myself.

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sensiblecat July 11 2009, 11:57:23 UTC
First, yeah, since you ask. Jack is officially in at least one of the specials.

My God, RTD fucks with your head sometimes. He set up and then immediately undercut the whole heroic basis of Torchwood up to now. Be honest, didn't you punch the air when Jack and Ianto marched in to kick some alien ass? And then it all turned out to COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID AND POINTLESS. It led to the deaths of thousands, Ianto including, when the main problem was that nobody in a position to help was talking to each other. All of them were watching their own asses. The real tragedy was that if those conversations had happened, they could have got together, figured out the way to stop the 456 and, even if a child had had to be sacrificed, they could have done it by lottery, picked a terminally ill one, or done something to reduce the terrible consequences.

I'm starting to think that RTD's real agenda is to pull the rug out from under heroic posturing once and for all. He's written a phenomenal political thriller, if nothing else.

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electrictoes July 11 2009, 08:57:02 UTC
IANTO, DON'T PUT YOUR GUN IN YOUR WAISTBAND. Your arse is too pretty to be shot off.

I LOLed.

I'm calmer about the whole thing now, but oh my God I sobbed for hours.

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aibhinn July 11 2009, 18:58:54 UTC
I just ache now. Not for Ianto--he died the way he'd have wanted to die, really, don't you think?--for Jack. And for Alice, of course, too, who lost her son and her father on the same day. And for Gwen, who's left alone, without her friends or her boss.

Just... Ow.

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electrictoes July 11 2009, 19:11:13 UTC
Oh, Jack.
Poor thing. The universe completely has it in for him, doesn't it?

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