Not all of the "founding fathers" were Christians. Several were atheists or had no religious affiliation at all. Thomas Jefferson, probably the most well known founding father, was vehemently opposed to organized religion and the prospect of a government based on biblical laws. Some quotes:
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."
"If by religion we are to understand sectarian dogmas, in which no two of them agree, then your exclamation on that hypothesis is just, "that this would be the best of worlds if there were no religion in it."
"A professorship of theology should have no place in our institution."
The conservatives in this country are the ones who are twisting words; trying to make the U.S. a religious nation. It was never meant to be so.
You Can't Change History!acushla712September 29 2008, 08:51:57 UTC
Dear tribelover1976 Thank you so much for answering my post--I really appreciate it.
I think you may need to do a little bit more research on Thomas Jefferson. He is at the center of what I am discussing in this post! In fact, his letter to the Baptist clergymen of Danby, Connecticut in January of 1804 that was in answer to theirs written to him, is the actual document that mentions the "wall" that Judge Black referred to, as well as "separation of church and state." In addition, Thomas Jefferson authored the First Amendment partly in response to the clergymen's concerns.
As to the individual quotes that you have come up with: we can all find quotes that are out of context or that may apply to a specific situation, but not to the whole of an idea--we all know that, don't we? I have shown you the specifics that apply to this particular question and that's all I can do.
Our Country was founded on religious values and nothing you say can change our history. You may not agree with it and that's your right. I thank God it's a free Country
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I want to thank you very much for answering my post! This is the best response that I've ever gotten--and NO! I am not angry at all ! I'm very glad to have this chance to talk.
First, like I told tribelover1976, you may need to go back and do a little bit more research on Thomas Jefferson. He was a man of very deep religious convictions; however, he believed that one's relationship with the Lord should be personal and private. He fought to keep the state out of the Church and he authored the First Amendment, which is the subject of this post.
Secondly, I am glad to hear that you believe that the majority of "anti-Christian" liberals are not really "anti-Christian," afterall--really! I'm not sure that there is any way to verify that, but I'm very glad to know that you, at least, are not one of them. It's a terrible feeling to be hated by someone you don't even know, don't you agree? Now, the liberal part is a misunderstanding, because liberals are who I am talking about...so to say that a liberal isn't what he is can't be correct,
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So Glad You Chimed In!acushla712September 29 2008, 12:12:22 UTC
Hi, Katie!
I'm so glad you chimed in and said you liked my answer. I also got a couple of other comment besides yours that you might find interesting and I've answered those as well. I've always wanted to visit the UK...so it's really cool that you checked in from there.
Hi! You're very welcome. I'm so glad you commented on my post. Also, I'm crazy about TinkerBelle, too. Did you see all the icons that I have? You're welcome to snag some of them.
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"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."
"If by religion we are to understand sectarian dogmas, in which no two of them agree, then your exclamation on that hypothesis is just, "that this would be the best of worlds if there were no religion in it."
"A professorship of theology should have no place in our institution."
The conservatives in this country are the ones who are twisting words; trying to make the U.S. a religious nation. It was never meant to be so.
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Thank you so much for answering my post--I really appreciate it.
I think you may need to do a little bit more research on Thomas Jefferson. He is at the center of what I am discussing in this post! In fact, his letter to the Baptist clergymen of Danby, Connecticut in January of 1804 that was in answer to theirs written to him, is the actual document that mentions the "wall" that Judge Black referred to, as well as "separation of church and state." In addition, Thomas Jefferson authored the First Amendment partly in response to the clergymen's concerns.
As to the individual quotes that you have come up with: we can all find quotes that are out of context or that may apply to a specific situation, but not to the whole of an idea--we all know that, don't we? I have shown you the specifics that apply to this particular question and that's all I can do.
Our Country was founded on religious values and nothing you say can change our history. You may not agree with it and that's your right. I thank God it's a free Country ( ... )
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I want to thank you very much for answering my post! This is the best response that I've ever gotten--and NO! I am not angry at all ! I'm very glad to have this chance to talk.
First, like I told tribelover1976, you may need to go back and do a little bit more research on Thomas Jefferson. He was a man of very deep religious convictions; however, he believed that one's relationship with the Lord should be personal and private. He fought to keep the state out of the Church and he authored the First Amendment, which is the subject of this post.
Secondly, I am glad to hear that you believe that the majority of "anti-Christian" liberals are not really "anti-Christian," afterall--really! I'm not sure that there is any way to verify that, but I'm very glad to know that you, at least, are not one of them. It's a terrible feeling to be hated by someone you don't even know, don't you agree? Now, the liberal part is a misunderstanding, because liberals are who I am talking about...so to say that a liberal isn't what he is can't be correct, ( ... )
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I was just reading your answer via the writer's block page, and I just want to say that I like your answer :-)
Katie
||Also a Christian, although British, and not entirely decided upon this question yet||
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I'm so glad you chimed in and said you liked my answer. I also got a couple of other comment besides yours that you might find interesting and I've answered those as well. I've always wanted to visit the UK...so it's really cool that you checked in from there.
I hope I talk to you again!
Sincerely,
Cynde
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and i love your awesome tinkerbell icon!
( i'm the biggest tinkerbell fan :D )
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Hi! You're very welcome. I'm so glad you commented on my post. Also, I'm crazy about TinkerBelle, too. Did you see all the icons that I have? You're welcome to snag some of them.
♥Cynde♥
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