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[miss_prince]

I know what you're thinking, but why not give the poor circus another chance?

Edit: ARGH HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THAT FOR NEARLY FOUR HOURS /more fail from me

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[sara_tanaquil]

Oops, I misunderstood something you said earlier and didn't pay attention to the new schedule... I thought there was going to be a week break between each case, so I've happily been dawdling along replaying 2.2 in Japanese. Back to playing 2.3 in English now! (I had gotten about half way into it before the schedule slowed down.)

I really hate the circus case, though. I gather I'm not alone? I have a feeling Moe's stupid not-jokes are going to be even worse in Japanese. (Not least because in Japanese, I might not understand what's not funny. /facepalm)

[dr_sipp]

I would love to hear your thoughts on the comparisons!! And I wanna know what everyone refers to each other as <3

[dr_sipp]

THIS DISCUSSION IS EMPTY

[militarypenguin]

MAX IS THE MOST HETEROSEXUAL CHARACTER IN THE SERIES

[dr_sipp]

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT EVER

IT CAN'T BE TRUE

[militarypenguin]

SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS

YOU KNOW IT BE TRUE

[militarypenguin]

This case has grown on me a lot, actually. The first time I played it I hated it, but the more I replay it the more I enjoy it. It's surprisingly profound at times and so sad

[perfectgnat]

You've actually hit upon something I think is really interesting about Franziska: that she's the prosecutor that comes closest to being the anti-Phoenix.

Edgeworth never really seems to believe in the guilt of Phoenix's client the same way that Phoenix believes in their innocence. Godot's just there to be a dick to Phoenix, he never seemed all that invested in what was actually taking place. Franziska, I think, has the same kind of stubborn belief as Phoenix, it's just that she was raised by Manfred.

I mean, it's hard to think that Edgeworth really believed in Redd's innocence, or that Godot believed in Luke or Furio's innocence, but it's easy to think that Franziska quite honestly believed that Ini, Acro and Adrian didn't do it; that Maya-channeling-Mimi, Max, and Matt were the real murderers. (And one out of three ain't is bad, but it's a better arrest rate than any other prosecutor

[dr_sipp]

Well part of Edgeworth's development was that after Phoenix showed up, he started to doubt whether the defendants were actually guilty. I mean, up until 1-2 he had believed them all to be genuinely guilty (or deluded himself or something). 1-2 is kind of fuzzy, especially with the defendant changing from Maya to Phoenix in one day. But in 1-3, he helps Phoenix out after he realizes Vasquez is the guilty party (iirc

[perfectgnat]

Edgeworth says something in 1-2 to the effect of "I can't know for certain whether a defendant is innocent or guilty so I must try to get them all declared Guilty!" which is pretty obviously bullshit that he doesn't really believe, but he still tells himself that to make himself feel better. He leaves everything to the detectives and never really makes an effort to investigate things for himself. Franziska, for all her flaws, does take the investigations very seriously. Granted, she was raised by Manfred von Karma, so her priorities are all screwed up, and I wouldn't doubt that she's motivated largely by the desire for a perfect case. However, "prosecute somebody who you have personally determined is the most likely suspect," is quite a bit different from, "Eh, just prosecute whoever the well-known-to-be-incompetent detectives arrest