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Aug 26, 2008 13:33

This is an open letter to that 30% of Hillary's supporters who are threatening to vote for McCain ONLY because Hillary didn't get the nomination ( Read more... )

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blaisepascal August 26 2008, 18:16:59 UTC
Senator Clinton has been very vocal in that (a) she wants people to unify behind Obama, (b) she herself is voting for Obama, (c) She is (or has) formally released her Delegates to vote for Obama.

If the PUMAs defect to McCain because Hillary isn't the candidate, then it isn't her fault, and she won't be (at this point) rejected by the Dem party the way Nader was.

My mom has the theory that a large number of the Hillary Supporters who say they will not vote for McCain really had no intention of voting for Hillary in the actual election. Rather, they believed McCain (or any Republican) would have an easier time winning if Hillary was the candidate. The bigger noise they make, the better for their real cause. I'm not sure I'm as cynical as that, myself.

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a_treitell August 26 2008, 19:05:00 UTC
It's not her I'm railing against, but I would be *very* surprised if she had any chance in '12 of getting the nomination if it was her followers (I'm with you not buying your moms level of cynicism) that split the party and as such gave the republicans the white house again.

Her fault? No. But it would ABSOLUTELY color her future as a democratic politician.

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a_treitell August 26 2008, 19:05:58 UTC
(For the record, I can see some older women who might other wise have voted Republican coming over to the democratic side JUST for the idea of a woman in the white house, but it's not just nameless women on the street that are saying this stuff, it's actual democratic party delegates, and you don't get that status by being a republican spy, ya' know?)

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kielbasa_007 August 26 2008, 18:25:58 UTC
I think Hillary is going to get Secritary of State from the Obamah administration.

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a_treitell August 26 2008, 19:06:22 UTC
Secretary of State, or possibly health & human services (that would make me so happy).

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sylvie August 26 2008, 19:55:39 UTC
I wouldn't mind seeing her on the supreme court or something someday either.

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a_treitell August 26 2008, 19:56:13 UTC
yeahhhhhhh, she would be fantastic on the courts.. THe next Sandra O'Connor! :)

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a_treitell August 27 2008, 00:57:44 UTC
Yeahhh.. Hillary isn't where my frustration lies,though I suspect it will be her political career that suffers as a result of her followers, but that 30% the press keeps talking about who are threatening to vote for McCain because Hillary didn't get the nomination.

I cannot see how anyone could have truly believed in the goals Hillary put forth and *still* be willing to even THINK about voting for McCain.

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a_treitell August 27 2008, 01:21:15 UTC
yeah, they're exactly the jackasses I'm talking about.

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addienfaemne August 27 2008, 01:33:41 UTC
This story doesn't pass the smell test. I don't think that the majority Clinton's supporters are seriously suggesting they'll vote for McCain over Obama. As Clinton herself has implored her supporters to do, I think most Dems will vote for Obama in this election cycle.

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a_treitell August 27 2008, 01:37:21 UTC
I don't think it's a majority, but I've heard as high as 30%, which is.. I just don't understand it.

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addienfaemne August 27 2008, 01:41:37 UTC
Not saying there aren't some crazies out there, but I just don't believe it. I have yet to encounter an ardent Hillary supporter outside of the upper echelons of Hillary's Camp who has said such a thing. This story just strikes me as manufactured media drama.

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a_treitell August 27 2008, 01:48:21 UTC
*laughs* ya' know, of everyone I know, you talking about manufactured media drama is very settling... ;)

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rmjwell August 27 2008, 02:20:02 UTC
From all accounts, the PUMAs are the unfortunate combination of [a] a few (very few) jilted Hilary fangirls, [b] the McCain camp trying to overinflate them into this year's "Swift Boat Veterans" and [c] the breathless reportage of a press corps desperate for anything resembling a sexy (rather than policy) story.

I recommend you visit http://www.dailykos.com and read some of the threads discussing the PUMAs. They are a myth that cooler heads need to stop propagating.

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a_treitell August 27 2008, 12:21:36 UTC
The thing is that I work with at least one who is an intelligent woman in her late 20s who is doing exactly this, it's not the majority of Hillary supporters, but neither is it a total myth.

Is the press blowing it out of proportion? Probably, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening.

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rmjwell August 27 2008, 12:57:41 UTC
But the proportion is the big question. If one-onehundredth of one percent of Hilary voters are doing it, it isn't a story.

And after last night's speech from Senator Clinton, anyone who claims to be a PUMA at this point is IMO likely either a Republican provacateur or a racist looking for a way to not support Obama.

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a_treitell August 27 2008, 13:21:13 UTC
True, she did a great job!

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