I. Mickey, Jack, MarthaselenakAugust 22 2008, 17:08:12 UTC
Actually, I always thought it was Nine who needed a good shaking in regards to Mickey. By the time he's Ten, he has actual conversations with him (as in one to one, not in the sense of addressing Mickey as part of Rose-Mickey-Jackie) (in School Reunion, Age of Steel, Doomsday, Mickey feels relaxed enough to kid him about "the missus and the ex" and free enough to tell him how he feels re: being the third wheel - no way he'd have done that with Nine), and we also have two great physical moments of fondness, and I don't mean group hugs, no. In Doomsday, Mickey blames himself for inadvertendly giving the Daleks the means to invade, and Ten tells him not to blame himself, it was an accident, and anyway, it's good to see him, and kisses him on the head (while running - David Tennant has mad skills), and then of course there's the fist thing in Journey's End. But people tend to see Nine with rose-coloured glasses, no pun intended, so Ten gets the blame for the Mickey-the-idiot-attitude (which, again, was a Nine thing - they are the same
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Re: I. Mickey, Jack, Martha_medley_August 22 2008, 18:54:05 UTC
You are, of course, right that it's Nine who has trouble with Mickey. And thank you for mentioning that kiss on the head, because I vaguely remembered it when I was watching the vid, and couldn't remember if it actually happened or if it was in a fic. I was going to check before I actually wrote meta, I promise.
With regard to Jack, I was thinking solely about the Doctor leaving him on the game station. I have actually argued that I don't think Ten was horrible to Jack in that radiation room scene, for one of the reasons that you've named here--namely that he goes on to admit prejudice, and that lovely, lovely grin they share at the end.
With Martha, well, I have no excuse for that one, because I think you've set me straight on this one before. And I've watched fan_eunice's awesome Martha vid recently, which has all the hugs and affection you could want in it.
I appreciate you taking the time to lay out the evidence for me. I really don't like it when fanon creeps into my assessment of the show, and I appreciate when people point it
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Re: I. Mickey, Jack, MarthaselenakAugust 23 2008, 04:21:34 UTC
And thank you for taking it so graciously; it was boiling frustration fired by a lot of fanfic and vids, and your innocent comment was the water drop that caused a rant flood!
Fanon: we're all susceptible to it. Otherwise none of us would use the name Koschei for Academy!era Master, but hey, he had to be called something.*g*
It's not the ones the Doctor loves best who get better.
Hm, let's see. The human being who hands down had the longest contact with him, knows him in most incarnations and has been called his best friend by him? Aka Alastair Lethbridge-Stewart, the Brigadier? Was a good man when they met but als one with some prejudices, and yes, I'd say grew better. Jo Grant, arguably the companion whom Three loved best in his tenure? Definitely better. Sarah Jane, one of the few whom the Doctor left instead of the other way around? Definitely better. And he does love Sarah Jane, as Three, as Four, and most certainly as Ten. (Blame Tennant the fanboy, but nobody can watch him say "Sarah Jane Smith, oh Sarah Jane Smith!" without feeling the love.) Ace, when last we see her on screen, whom he didn't just love to bits as Seven but who is the only one of them he tried deliberately to mold and wanted to succeed him? Despite questionable methods, definitely better. (Ace when we meet her is a messed up teenager; in Survival she still has issues but has
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Re: Getting better_medley_August 22 2008, 18:36:53 UTC
Let me answer this one first because it's easier for me to explain my (lack of) reasoning here. First off, let me apologize, because when I threw that sentence in there it was more along the lines of something that occurred to me while watching the vid and that I wanted to remember so I could think about it later; I hadn't actually given much thought as to whether it was true or not yet. I almost put a disclaimer on it to that effect, and I should've. Also, I was thinking entirely of New School, and more along the lines of what it looks to me as if RTD is doing, rather than what I actually see when I watch the characters. Of course, there's no way you can tell from what I wrote that that's what I was thinking
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Re: Getting betterselenakAugust 23 2008, 07:12:34 UTC
In terms of New School and Old School both, you could make the argument that, family members excluded, the person the Doctor probably loved most through the 900 plus something years of his lives was the Master, and of course the Master is exhibit a) of not getting better but worse precisely because of his Doctor obsession and their mutual push-pull dynamic. (If it's New School only and we're talking about amount of love for Rose and the Master respectively as the prime candidates for "loved best" title in terms of recent years, one has to point out that sentences like "I've been alone ever since" in Sound of Drums and the Doctor basically proposing with the phrase "now I have someone to care for" in Last of the Time Lords would imply he didn't regard Rose as someone in the same category as the Master; his reaction when she jokingly suggested settling down and mortgage was err, no, and "alone ever since (the Time War)" certainly covers the two Rose years as well
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Re: Getting better_medley_August 24 2008, 03:52:30 UTC
and of course the Master is exhibit a) of not getting better but worse precisely because of his Doctor obsession and their mutual push-pull dynamic
Oh, yeah. Definitely. And when the Doctor said, "I've been alone ever since," my jaw just dropped. Because yeah, that definitely puts Rose in a different category.
she was and is a courageous girl willing to fight for what she believes, compassionate but with a selfish streak a mile wide and long
That's such a good description of her.
she's with two people who love her (and the Doctor's terse exchange with Sylvia rang true from both sides, so I think Sylvia will now actually show Donna she has confidence in her) and has proven before she can reach her potential without him.
I really, really hope Sylvia does that. I think she will. And yes, Donna can reach her potential without him. Well, from "Turn Left," it turns out she saved his life the day she met him, so she started out pretty awesome.
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Hee, I remember that!
And you are so right about the catfish and hushpuppies.
Did you like the babaganoush? I love it.
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Hushpuppies are GOOD.
I did like the babaganoush! I was looking up recipes earlier, in fact.
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With regard to Jack, I was thinking solely about the Doctor leaving him on the game station. I have actually argued that I don't think Ten was horrible to Jack in that radiation room scene, for one of the reasons that you've named here--namely that he goes on to admit prejudice, and that lovely, lovely grin they share at the end.
With Martha, well, I have no excuse for that one, because I think you've set me straight on this one before. And I've watched fan_eunice's awesome Martha vid recently, which has all the hugs and affection you could want in it.
I appreciate you taking the time to lay out the evidence for me. I really don't like it when fanon creeps into my assessment of the show, and I appreciate when people point it ( ... )
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Fanon: we're all susceptible to it. Otherwise none of us would use the name Koschei for Academy!era Master, but hey, he had to be called something.*g*
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I thought the Koschei thing came from one of the books. Is that not true? I'm gonna laugh if Koschei's complete fanon.
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Hm, let's see. The human being who hands down had the longest contact with him, knows him in most incarnations and has been called his best friend by him? Aka Alastair Lethbridge-Stewart, the Brigadier? Was a good man when they met but als one with some prejudices, and yes, I'd say grew better. Jo Grant, arguably the companion whom Three loved best in his tenure? Definitely better. Sarah Jane, one of the few whom the Doctor left instead of the other way around? Definitely better. And he does love Sarah Jane, as Three, as Four, and most certainly as Ten. (Blame Tennant the fanboy, but nobody can watch him say "Sarah Jane Smith, oh Sarah Jane Smith!" without feeling the love.) Ace, when last we see her on screen, whom he didn't just love to bits as Seven but who is the only one of them he tried deliberately to mold and wanted to succeed him? Despite questionable methods, definitely better. (Ace when we meet her is a messed up teenager; in Survival she still has issues but has ( ... )
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Oh, yeah. Definitely. And when the Doctor said, "I've been alone ever since," my jaw just dropped. Because yeah, that definitely puts Rose in a different category.
she was and is a courageous girl willing to fight for what she believes, compassionate but with a selfish streak a mile wide and long
That's such a good description of her.
she's with two people who love her (and the Doctor's terse exchange with Sylvia rang true from both sides, so I think Sylvia will now actually show Donna she has confidence in her) and has proven before she can reach her potential without him.
I really, really hope Sylvia does that. I think she will. And yes, Donna can reach her potential without him. Well, from "Turn Left," it turns out she saved his life the day she met him, so she started out pretty awesome.
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There's too many things on this list I have no clue what they even are....
75 - alas no, they are not messing with us, people do *ick*
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I had to look up a bunch of them myself. Mainly the ones of the Middle Eastern variety.
I've got an uncle who jokes about roadkill armadillo. I'm...almost certain he's joking.
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