WHAT DO YOU DO?!

[_jems_]

I'm terribly amused that I seem to be the only one who's ever seen the complete version of this scene. Though my rough reenactment of it wasn't even close. Give me a break, it's been twelve years! Here it is in all its glory:

Harry: Okay. Pop quiz, hot shot. Uh, terrorist in a crowded room, five pounds of dynamite. He's got a deadman's stick; he

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[slayervixen]

Its hard to believe this show went from Donut Run to Plan B its like mind boggling how it can be so unbelievably good in one instance then so hair pulling bad in other.

Killing Logan? Hey I wouldn't put it past Rob Thomas..though it would be the final nail in the coffin that is his ego. V/Piz?? He's like a little immature brother....ugh. Dread.

[_jems_]

I guess their track record (which usually gives me hives, FYI) shows that they can turn something unbelievably bad into something good in a short time. I think the same is actually true of season 1 as well. Not that it was bad, but most of what I love about season 1 is contained in the arc from 15-20.

I don't actually think RT is interested in killing Logan. I do think they take short-cuts and cheat us of emotional moments constantly, but that's been true for a while now.

[kisuncha]

i hate Logan because of his sex with Madison.. i think it's stupid.. when she screams that he loves her and then doing such stupid things.. well, i just don't understand then..

[_jems_]

I guess I just don't get what he's supposed to have done wrong. He's a single guy sleeping with (presumably) a single girl. He's already come to the conclusion that despite his love for Veronica, it's not going to work out for them. Just how long is he supposed to remain celibate before it's "okay" to sleep with another girl?

[kisuncha]

well, i'm a bit agree with you and there is a true in your words.. but anyway, don't you think it's too fast, no? or maybe it's my opinion and my view to things.. i don't know..
and i loved so muc this LoVe thing, that i can't balieve that it's the end..

[_jems_]

Sure, I think it's fast, but that's Logan for you.

And I don't believe for a second that it's the end for them. Even if the show never brings them back together, in my world they always end up together.

[nessaassen]

Huh. I'm a little surprised at your reaction, only because I know you've been hoping that they're actually writing a character arc for Veronica this year. A lot of the (more rational) anger I've seen comes from the sense that this development negates the potential for Veronica's growth--it proves her right about judging and not trusting Logan, giving her little reason or motivation to change any of her emotionally-stunted ways. I'm not sure it has to play out that way--couldn't this be an example that proves Logan right instead, that she's unwilling to accept him or love him for the flawed person that he is?--but that seems to be where a lot of the ire is coming from.

[_jems_]

I guess I just don't feel that Veronica's emotional arc is undercut by this, unless what everyone's saying about how Logan is somehow in the wrong here is true, or unless they show that Veronica just doesn't care about Logan and that this event is what makes her realize that.

I don't see how this in any way shows Veronica (or the viewer) that she's right about not trusting him since he did nothing wrong. I can see how she would be hurt by it, sure, just as I could see how she would be hurt by the Kendall incident in LWS, but I don't see how that makes her right. And if the show tries to make it seem like it, well, that doesn't mean I'm going to change my mind unless other factors I don't know about are brought to light.

[nessaassen]

I don't disagree with you--I don't think Logan's in the wrong either, for the most part. As I've heard it, he lies to her about the sex in 3.11, before she finds out about it from Madison. The lie is a bigger problem for me than the sex itself (like you, I think Logan's done nothing wrong there). But I also feel like Veronica's still putting Logan in the position where he feels like he can't do anything but lie (even though that's kind of a cop-out too.)

I guess it just depends how they've written the break-up scene and planned the arc after. I feel like most of my sympathy is with Logan here, but I also feel like this show has pulled this crap before, where they write as if my sympathy is supposed to be (and the writers' sympathy is) with Veronica instead. If the writers cast Veronica as justifiably hurt, but still unjustifiably self-righteous and judgmental and untrusting, it will be just fine.

[_jems_]

Considering how poorly they do with arcs, I have no problem with plenty of foreshadowing and a last-minute epiphany by Veronica. I can wank 'til the cows come home if I have to. As long as they don't make it impossible I'll be okay. *g*

I didn't know about the lie, but I gotta agree, I think he knows that if he doesn't lie she'll break up with him, so if he really does want to try again he has to lie.

[girlcontinuum]

That Calculator just might be the best thing I've discovered since... the last fantastic Firefox extension that made my Internet life easier in ways I didn't even think I needed. Thanks!

[_jems_]

I'm constantly finding extensions I never realized I couldn't live without. =)

[sowell]

As for Veronica's reaction...well, I guess it all depends. Breaking up with him says to me that she's hurt.
I guess this is where is can succeed or fail for me. I'm very, very afraid that this will ONLY serve the purpose of giving Veronica the upper hand in the relationship again, and not showing how much she actually cares.

Also, I can finally see a way for Piz/Veronica to happen that I wouldn't hate: Making it All. About. Logan. (For Veronica, of course.)
See...that's interesting. Because the way the breakup stood, I thought it could be a Logan rebound thing. But after this (see my above fears about giving Veronica the upper hand), I'm afraid it will be less about her being heartbroken and more about her trying to find someone who's NOT like Logan, because she's more angry than sad.

Also, I still remember that this is the show that took me from the utter contempt of Donut Run to the 'shipper squee of Plan B in six short episodes.That...actually makes me feel better. I mean, they have 8 whole episodes here to give us a completely

[_jems_]

I think I've become so used to fanwanking every single emotion on this show that even if Veronica seems to be outwardly angry, I'll assume that she's really angry because she's hurt. I think the only thing that could make me depressed right now would be indifference from Veronica.

I'm afraid it will be less about her being heartbroken and more about her trying to find someone who's NOT like Logan
I think I'm truly sad here, but even if that's what she thinks and if that's what she's telling us, I won't believe it. Not with Piz. With someone else, maybe, but not with Piz.

I mean, they have 8 whole episodes here to give us a completely nonsensical and unsatisfying reunion.
Heh! Though that's how I'd describe the reunion in Not Pictured, not the dance in Plan B. ;-)

Also, your casual attitude is admirable. Thanks to a friend's warning I've known something bad was coming for a few weeks. Frankly, imagining what lay ahead was worse than the reality. And is it sad that the first thing I thought when I read the spoilers was "yay, they're

[sowell]

Though that's how I'd describe the reunion in Not Pictured, not the dance in Plan B. ;-)
Very true. With NP they went from HEARTBREAK to BLISS in, what? 1.5 episodes? So I guess all hope isn't dead.