The chances of me making a Friday evening event are basically zero, and I may not count anyway, as I seem to have mysteriously become an established pro at least socially. But I'm interested in boosting people through this stage, so I'd like to hear what you guys come up with.
FWIW I would have no qualms about including you or Fade in any of the "established pro" things. (Which is not meant to exclude opera142, I just have no idea who that username belongs to.)
I should emphasize, the above qualifications are more sort of guidelines than rules. ;-) And "established pro" has a certain amount of fuzziness to its definition, anyway. Which is a roundabout way of saying, if you find yourself miraculously available and want to check it out, feel free to drop in!
But I'm interested in boosting people through this stage, so I'd like to hear what you guys come up with.
One of the things I'm hoping to come out of this with is a better articulation of what intermediate writers need and want. I think a lot of us are clear on what we don't want, but you can't build an infrastructure on a vacuum.
FWIW I would have no qualms about including you or Fade in any of the "established pro" things.
Some of us slightly older set should really get together and talk about early-2000s neoprodom and the ways in which that group has integrated into the establishment. I was moderately important to the early part, and Bear was extremely central later. I think a historic perspective on that could be quite useful to those of you who are doing it now.
I will probably completely fail to organize this in anything resembling good time, but maybe it will stick. Actually, I'm going to suggest it as a panel.
I think this would be lovely and suspect I fall somewhere on this spectrum at the moment! I don't know if this will make a ton of sense, but one of the things I'm finding I struggled to even identify I needed, starting out, was a picture of what the intermediate stages of revision could look like in fiction... the things between "zero/raw first draft" and "polishing." Over time I've found authors who really do a lovely job of unpacking some options in their journal spaces (Jennifer Crusie and Patricia Wrede have been particularly useful for me), but most of the books, articles, and even writing spaces I encountered when I was first reading were focused more on prep for the first draft or final pass on the completed work - or prescribed one way of making a raw draft into something more coherent that might or might not work for the piece I had in front of me.
This will be my first year at 4th St. I believe I fall in into this category and would love to stop by if there's still room. I'm looking forward to the event.
There's plenty of room -- this is a pretty free-form gathering that should be able to accomodate everybody who's interested, so I'll look forward to seeing you there!
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FWIW I would have no qualms about including you or Fade in any of the "established pro" things. (Which is not meant to exclude opera142, I just have no idea who that username belongs to.)
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But I'm interested in boosting people through this stage, so I'd like to hear what you guys come up with.
One of the things I'm hoping to come out of this with is a better articulation of what intermediate writers need and want. I think a lot of us are clear on what we don't want, but you can't build an infrastructure on a vacuum.
FWIW I would have no qualms about including you or Fade in any of the "established pro" things.
*bows* Why, thankee, sir!
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I will probably completely fail to organize this in anything resembling good time, but maybe it will stick. Actually, I'm going to suggest it as a panel.
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I don't know if this will make a ton of sense, but one of the things I'm finding I struggled to even identify I needed, starting out, was a picture of what the intermediate stages of revision could look like in fiction... the things between "zero/raw first draft" and "polishing." Over time I've found authors who really do a lovely job of unpacking some options in their journal spaces (Jennifer Crusie and Patricia Wrede have been particularly useful for me), but most of the books, articles, and even writing spaces I encountered when I was first reading were focused more on prep for the first draft or final pass on the completed work - or prescribed one way of making a raw draft into something more coherent that might or might not work for the piece I had in front of me.
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Hmm, I know at least one other "intermediate" who's been struggling with revision lately... I sense a good conversation coming!
(Wrede's journal has been immensely useful to me, too, on many an occassion; I'll have to check out Crusie's.)
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--Wendy Hammer
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Welcome aboard!
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