Let's get the ball rolling.

[thinwhiteduke]

Does religion have any place in politics and why?

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[kawaiinoir]

Which particular god are you referring to? And does all that you say apply to religion, rather than god?

[xhellsx]

humor them and refer to the only God there is as "The Judeo-Christian God"

;)

[xhellsx]

I'm here but not interested in this topic.
American politics have no place in civilised humanity, let alone Christianity
The whole system is a circus.

If you're here to bait Christians into discussion let me share one thing with you.

"True Chrsitians" consider Religion to mean something entirely different to what you probably mean it to be.

Jesus frowned upon Religion, a lot of people consider Religion to be demonic.

If you want to get the serious Christians into debate.. they consider their faith to be a relatinship with God, not a Religion.

I am looking forward to an interesting topic.

[thinwhiteduke]

Agreed.

[thinwhiteduke]

If you're here to bait Christians into discussion

I am not here to "bait" anyone. If you don't want to partake in the discussion, for whatever reason, then don't.

"True Chrsitians" consider Religion to mean something entirely different to what you probably mean it to be.

If this is true then you and your fellow "True Christians" are in an overwhelming minority and most likely not the cause of my (and many others around the world) grievances with religion.

a lot of people consider Religion to be demonic.

Sadly, many more do not.

I am looking forward to an interesting topic.

You seem interesting so far. Hopefully we will have reason for discourse in the future.

[sybbis]

I think this kind of boils into two questions: Does personal faith have a place in personal decision making, including the personal decisions of government officials? And, second, does that mean that laws should be made which insist on a religiously-based standard of behavior for everybody

[subdermal]

Excellent points all. I do want to add this:

>There's no virtue to being moral if you're going to be thrown in jail otherwise.

There's equally no virtue to being moral if you're going to be thrown in hell otherwise, is there not?

[xhellsx]

My morality is not determined by fear, of Hell, jail or otherwise.

my morality is determined now, by the Grace and Mercy that has been shown to me and how i should act in turn..

pre faith it was determined by what felt good, and what seemed right.

interestingly enough my moral compass still points in a very similar direction.

Sybbis you have made excellent points.

[subdermal]

>interestingly enough my moral compass still points in a very similar direction.

It has been said more than once that religion gives people justification for doing what they wanted to do anyways.

True morality cannot be determined by fear.

[mizer2003]

No No No!
Religion has no place in politics.

They should legally remain segregated because there are too many interpretations of religion and god for there to be any good set of rules that should apply, i.e. Muslim man congratulated for killing his daughter for falling in love: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/11/iraq.humanrights

We all know that morality exists outside of religion and vice versa. Where religion is pushed into politics for the sake of keeping to a moral code, I absolutely believe it is unnecessary and often degrading to use it as the basis for making political decisions.

I wish we could split off some states and give them the rest of it - let the godless have their godl

[caerfrli]

Which states did you have in mind? Have you statistics from responsible sources showing which states contain no religious persons and which are populated entirely by the religious?

Re: I wish we could split off some states and give them the rest of it - let the godless have their

[pali]

I'm not a scholar, just a theorist.

Don't theorize about subjects you have no scholarly knowledge about. It's just going to make you look and feel stupid, because those with that scholarly knowledge will smack you over the face with their more realistic and practical theories.

Trust me on that. My ego was bruised plenty in the process of learning this lesson myself.