I AM VERY INTERESTED IN THESE THOUGHTS. Especially the gun meta, mmmmmm.
Also I kind of think it is unfair to criticize the sciencefail of the characters, because obviously in this universe science works differently than it does in reality.
I would address things you say regarding the stuff on the beach, but it just makes me angry again about how little sense it makes. In my internal fake canon, they all go back to the mansion and the rift still happens, but, like, over the first year or several years of the school. Blah.
Also I kind of think it is unfair to criticize the sciencefail of the characters, because obviously in this universe science works differently than it does in reality.
Hmmm, this is an EXCELLENT point, the kind that makes me feel silly for not thinking of that myself. In the movie I didn't really mind at all, it's more that in fandom when lofty rhetoric about it is, like, the crux of the story I'm just kind of, eh. It's all a metaphor anyway; I don't want Erik pontificating about it for paragraphs when, like...I just want the shapes sketched out and the societal conflict.
And as for "immediate," like, I've had textbooks that use it that way--again, I don't mind the in-movie use.
but either way, clearly a bunch of shit works super differently, so, huh. WILL MEDITATE ON THIS.
and yeah, sigh, I spend a lot of time not thinking about the beach.
gunmeta is my favorite of those, though. I'm just waiting on permission to quote someone in my post because I want to be polite and not, like, splash things said in e mail all over public
when lofty rhetoric about it is, like, the crux of the story I'm just kind of, eh. It's all a metaphor anyway; I don't want Erik pontificating about it for paragraphs when, like...I just want the shapes sketched out and the societal conflict.
Oh, yeah, I would totally agree with that. I don't know, I often get confused by Erik in post-movie stories in general. Like, he's such a sympathetic character, and in a way kind of the tragic hero of the movie, but ... yeah, Team Charles, in the sense where I can't stop being like "...you guys know terrorism is BAD, right? We can all agree on that?"
Yeah, a lot of my meta is actually about fandom, I suppose, or...sort of in defense of certain parts of cannon? Which doesn't stop me from being all "SHIT MAKES NO SENSE, YO," about other parts of cannon, so, hmm. Except I love, like, most of fandom's thoughts on stuff, and I enjoy it all, just...I disagree with some things.
I read SO few post move timeline stories exactly because of that! Like, I mean citizenjess's stuff, but her Magneto is usually still REASONABLE, and she plays around with other timelines.
Team Charles, in the sense where I can't stop being like "...you guys know terrorism is BAD, right? We can all agree on that?"
EXACTLY.
Team Why Is the Creepy Telepath Actually the Most Morally Reasonable Person Present.
Man, now I want to write a story where Erik kills Shaw and afterwards he just feels ... blank. And tired. Because he just completed the thing that had been his goal forever and for some reason doesn't automatically come up with an entire new life path of leading all mutants in war and blah blah blah. Just ... Shaw's dead. Now what? I just ... want to go home.
Yes, yes, yes. I honestly think that this is so...POSSIBLE? I mean, obviously, for the movie, he needs to turn into Magneto, so for reasons of meta it isn't possible there. But given Erik as a character and his life until then, and his life in the weeks/months prior...
...I can see him just stumbling out of the sub, blinded by the sun, and it's all he can do to just not fall on his knees with how numb he feels.
Now if just everyone else would shut the fuck up and give him a moment for his adrenaline to crash, we'd be good to go.
ERIK LEHNSHERR, TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE REST OF YOUR LIFE! YOU HAVE ATTAINED YOUR ULTIMATE VENGEANCE! WHAT DO YOU DO NOW?
a) wear a stupid helmet, attempt to murder several hundred people, get your boyfriend paralyzed, and go off to become a supervillain with some other people who were trying to kill you five minutes ago
b) ... idk, go home and sleep on it before you make any huge life altering decisions? go get drunk on cry on charles's shoulder or something, jesus.
AWWW. I love Erik, I really do, but yeah, there is a huge difference between "I truly think this character is wonderful" and "I would welcome the wiping out of the entire race," which kind of is how I feel whenever people are like super-pro Magneto domination or huge Voldemort/Slytherin fans or something. Like not totally, but a little.
Also, now I think I need to write something where Magneto's just like batshit insane; like not just, "all humans should be under my thumb," but like frothing at the mouth crazypants. JUST FOR YOU AND YOUR LOVE OF REASONABLE ERIK. I WANT YOU TO LOVE UNREASONABLE ERIK TOOOOOOO.
I would like this especially if Charles still treats him exactly the same way, while everyone else is like NO, SERIOUSLY PROF, THIS GUY IS ACTUALLY NUTS, WHY ARE YOU ACTING LIKE HE'S A REASONABLE PERSON.
HAHAHAHA WHICH IS ALREADY CANON SO. Everyone ever is like, "Hey can we actually just kill him this time? Douse him in acid? Let Wolverine take off his head?" and Charles is like "oh no, no, violence is never the answer. Now go take out those Sentinels, my children."
HAHAH, GOD, YES. This thread is perfect; why did it not get into my inbox. But yeah, Mags needs to be all senselessly violent wearing underpants on his head batshit, and Charles is still like, "Oh, Erik, my love. You are so misunderstood, my darling, and beautiful, so beautiful."
And the kids are like REALLY? REALLY??
but no, yeah, the super pro Magneto or Voldemort people make me slightly uncomfortable. LIKE, I am sure they are all very reasonable people in the real world and they don't actually, like, curb stomp puppies to death, BUT. Not letting them near MY nonexistent puppy, all the same.
There's a big difference between "I wanna bang this super villain ALL NIGHT LONG," and "I shall defend this very aggressive and misanthropic ideology."
Mags needs to be all senselessly violent wearing underpants on his head batshit, and Charles is still like, "Oh, Erik, my love. You are so misunderstood, my darling, and beautiful, so beautiful."
And the kids are like REALLY? REALLY??
Seriously, there is nothing about this that is not WONDERFUL.
(I am imagining him charming Charles by making them matching tin foil hats - using his powers, even, no hands! Charles is just like "your power, so amazing o___o" and Magneto is like "AND it keeps out the evil butterfly mind rays!"
There's a big difference between "I wanna bang this super villain ALL NIGHT LONG," and "I shall defend this very aggressive and misanthropic ideology."
Ha, but IS THERE THOUGH? Charles seems to be the master of both. He's very, "my Erik is a special boy, such a good boy," and then when his back is turned, Erik jumps out of his fish tank atop Charles' dresser and murders someone in cold blood and then acts like he's just a harmless goldfish afterwards. /drive-by "South Park"-ing
Also I kind of think it is unfair to criticize the sciencefail of the characters, because obviously in this universe science works differently than it does in reality.
I would address things you say regarding the stuff on the beach, but it just makes me angry again about how little sense it makes. In my internal fake canon, they all go back to the mansion and the rift still happens, but, like, over the first year or several years of the school. Blah.
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Hmmm, this is an EXCELLENT point, the kind that makes me feel silly for not thinking of that myself. In the movie I didn't really mind at all, it's more that in fandom when lofty rhetoric about it is, like, the crux of the story I'm just kind of, eh. It's all a metaphor anyway; I don't want Erik pontificating about it for paragraphs when, like...I just want the shapes sketched out and the societal conflict.
And as for "immediate," like, I've had textbooks that use it that way--again, I don't mind the in-movie use.
but either way, clearly a bunch of shit works super differently, so, huh. WILL MEDITATE ON THIS.
and yeah, sigh, I spend a lot of time not thinking about the beach.
gunmeta is my favorite of those, though. I'm just waiting on permission to quote someone in my post because I want to be polite and not, like, splash things said in e mail all over public
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Oh, yeah, I would totally agree with that. I don't know, I often get confused by Erik in post-movie stories in general. Like, he's such a sympathetic character, and in a way kind of the tragic hero of the movie, but ... yeah, Team Charles, in the sense where I can't stop being like "...you guys know terrorism is BAD, right? We can all agree on that?"
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I read SO few post move timeline stories exactly because of that! Like, I mean citizenjess's stuff, but her Magneto is usually still REASONABLE, and she plays around with other timelines.
Team Charles, in the sense where I can't stop being like "...you guys know terrorism is BAD, right? We can all agree on that?"
EXACTLY.
Team Why Is the Creepy Telepath Actually the Most Morally Reasonable Person Present.
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Yes, yes, yes. I honestly think that this is so...POSSIBLE? I mean, obviously, for the movie, he needs to turn into Magneto, so for reasons of meta it isn't possible there. But given Erik as a character and his life until then, and his life in the weeks/months prior...
...I can see him just stumbling out of the sub, blinded by the sun, and it's all he can do to just not fall on his knees with how numb he feels.
Now if just everyone else would shut the fuck up and give him a moment for his adrenaline to crash, we'd be good to go.
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a) wear a stupid helmet, attempt to murder several hundred people, get your boyfriend paralyzed, and go off to become a supervillain with some other people who were trying to kill you five minutes ago
b) ... idk, go home and sleep on it before you make any huge life altering decisions? go get drunk on cry on charles's shoulder or something, jesus.
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And the kids are like REALLY? REALLY??
but no, yeah, the super pro Magneto or Voldemort people make me slightly uncomfortable. LIKE, I am sure they are all very reasonable people in the real world and they don't actually, like, curb stomp puppies to death, BUT. Not letting them near MY nonexistent puppy, all the same.
There's a big difference between "I wanna bang this super villain ALL NIGHT LONG," and "I shall defend this very aggressive and misanthropic ideology."
AS CHARLES WELL KNOWS.
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And the kids are like REALLY? REALLY??
Seriously, there is nothing about this that is not WONDERFUL.
(I am imagining him charming Charles by making them matching tin foil hats - using his powers, even, no hands! Charles is just like "your power, so amazing o___o" and Magneto is like "AND it keeps out the evil butterfly mind rays!"
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Ha, but IS THERE THOUGH? Charles seems to be the master of both. He's very, "my Erik is a special boy, such a good boy," and then when his back is turned, Erik jumps out of his fish tank atop Charles' dresser and murders someone in cold blood and then acts like he's just a harmless goldfish afterwards. /drive-by "South Park"-ing
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