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alexia_drake November 17 2011, 19:23:38 UTC
Wow, I feel like I just read a deleted scene from Season 1. I loved it. Nicely written :D

And I kinda want to re-watch Season 1. Again. lol

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youcallitwinter November 17 2011, 19:42:34 UTC
Haha, thank you so much! I'd have loved to see Caroline's thoughts about D/C explored; but well, that never happened, so, fic :D

My god, that season was awesome, I want a re-watch too!

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upupa_epops November 17 2011, 19:43:19 UTC
WHOA.

That was amazing. I don't usually touch Damon/Caroline at all, because with the fandom's general attitude towards Damon I never know when I'll come across something that will make me a little ball of feminist rage, but here I was sure that it won't be the case, so I read it. WHOA. Just WHOA.

I love how you're building your story on what Caroline doesn't say and what she doesn't know for sure. And all the references, how Caroline borrows sentences, learns from half-read books and movies, and TV; she is so young, and you capture it perfectly. The clash between her childhood room and what she does with Damon, the clash between how beautiful Damon is and his monstrosity - amazing!

It's certainly not a nice story to read, and it brings little pleasure, but good for you. This is how it's supposed to work :). Excellent writing!

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youcallitwinter November 17 2011, 19:55:35 UTC
I have an incredibly messed-up relationship with Damon/Caroline, because I actually ship them? Hard. And trying to reconcile that with what Damon's done to her; oh man, why do I even do this to myself? D:

Word to fandom's attitude to Damon, cannot stand it. I think the worst about that relationship was that it was abusive in such a human way; it wasn't all about Damon being a vampire, it was also about him shattering her self-esteem ("stupid, shallow, useless"), using her for whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, and her excusing his actions (willingly or through compulsion, it's never clear). And Caroline is such an amazingly strong characters, that it's hard to see that blank look in her eyes.

But I still ship them on potential because I think the snark and sex would be amazing, not to mention they're forever everyone else's second choice. But then I love all the psychopaths on the show, so my moral compass is obviously not pointing north, heh.

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upupa_epops November 17 2011, 20:13:47 UTC
I have an incredibly messed-up relationship with Damon/Caroline, because I actually ship them? Hard. And trying to reconcile that with what Damon's done to her; oh man, why do I even do this to myself? D:This is exactly how my relationship with Damon/Elena looks like (obviously there was no rape in Damon/Elena, but there are other difficult issues), so I get what you're saying. I have nothing against Damon/Caroline itself; I just avoid reading D/C fics, because there are so many things an author can do wrong that I don't want to risk an outburst of rage. I can somehow ignore the "perfect Damon" when I'm reading some silly and bad D/E fanfic, because I just read it to relax when my brain is so tired it doesn't process anything better, but I can't do the same with Damon/Caroline, because their relationship is on a different level for me; I can't stop treating it seriously, under no circumstances. If I was sure that every Caroline/Damon writer views this ship the way you do, I wouldn't be able to stop reading those fics ( ... )

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youcallitwinter November 18 2011, 12:41:05 UTC
This is exactly how my relationship with Damon/Elena looks like.

Haha, since I ship D/E equally hard, I'm going to have to agree here!

I have nothing against Damon/Caroline itself; I just avoid reading D/C fics, because there are so many things an author can do wrong that I don't want to risk an outburst of rage.

Oh, I know, right? That is the actual worst. I think I'm beginning to turn of the opinion where I kind of accept it if the author chooses to gloss over the entire thing, or pretends that it doesn't happen or moves beyond it. Earlier, I just couldn't get past it, but considering the show itself failed to address it, I can hardly blame fanfic authors for not going into that territory. It's best they don't, instead of coming up with some magic resolution which would be way worse.

I actually don't mind anything on screen or in fic because it's a fictionalized representation, as long as the show or the person writing the fic is aware that it's a fucked up, terrifying situation. My problem lies with romanticization and the ( ... )

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bogwitch November 17 2011, 21:10:02 UTC
This was achy, but lovely in a chilling undercurrent way.

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youcallitwinter November 18 2011, 12:43:12 UTC
I think that might have been because Caroline was terrified, haha, thank you :)

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cassiehayes November 17 2011, 21:35:07 UTC
OH. I love Damon/Caroline fic set in the beginning of season one when it's done well, and this is SO GOOD. You've captured Caroline's feelings in such a tragic, painful way, and I love the contrast of what's happening and where it's happening, Lose her innocence in front of her stuffed toys, her princess desk, her history homework, her childhood blanket. aljdsljdsds, oh Caroline D:

And I love how you portrayed Damon in this, not romanticizing what happened at all.

(Katherine, he whispers sometimes, his hair plastered to his face, his cock still inside her, Katherine. She must have been some kind of a goddess in his time, Caroline decides, his reverence mingling with the sweat on her skin. An old goddess, with statues and worshippers to her name. Katherine. It’s a pretty name).

SO PERFECT I CAN'T. Guhh. (Also making me remember how hard I shipped Damon/Katherine too in season one, oh gosh.)

Also, this - Borrow words from books she’s half read, from movies she’s missed the beginning of, make it sound like they’re hers - is just ( ... )

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youcallitwinter November 18 2011, 12:55:38 UTC
Appropriate icon is appropriate :D Also, his expression is so ~intense.

I love Damon/Caroline fic set in the beginning of season one.

Oh, I know, right? There is SO MUCH to explore. I've totally had this idea in mind about a S1 Damon/Caroline fic since ages, because I love Damon being a bastard and Caroline being difficult. It's so not easy to make her do stuff till he compels her, it's got to hurt his ego a little, heh.

You picked my favorite line, of course you would.

Not romanticizing what happened at all.

This fandom sucks with things like that D:

there is so much of this LOVELY FIC that is quote-worthy, I can't, and I just want to clutch Caroline to my heart.

Haha, this sounds like EXACTLY what I said about your fantastic Stefan/Caroline fic yesterday, I shall quote it all places ^^ But seriously, Caroline in S1 was such a tragedy, she shall forever be my favorite *hearts*

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cassiehayes November 18 2011, 21:16:41 UTC
Heee, Damon is quite the master of the ~intense look.

SO MUCH, indeed! And aldjs, It's so not easy to make her do stuff till he compels her, it's got to hurt his ego a little, heh - that is kinda one of my favourite things, in a weird way. Reminds me of the scene where he tries to get her to go help with the dishes and she's just like *nosescrunch* "Um no" and he tries to be all ~charming and convincing but she's not having any of it until he actually does compel her.

You picked my favorite line, of course you would.

HA, I am good ;) Such an awesome line, though.

This fandom sucks with things like that D:

They doooo. Like, I ship these two like crazy in some ways, but there are so many fics I've started to read that have me just.... back away slowly, because no.

Caroline in S1 was such a tragedy, she shall forever be my favorite *hearts*

She was! *clutches her* And as much as I love how she's become all badass and such, it makes me sad when people just ignore S1!Caroline because she was so interesting too D:

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youcallitwinter November 19 2011, 13:35:49 UTC
Is he not? Sometimes it's really funny, but mostly his ~intense look is just right. :D

Reminds me of the scene where he tries to get her to go help with the dishes and she's just like *nosescrunch* "Um no" and he tries to be all ~charming and convincing but she's not having any of it until he actually does compel her.

EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING OF. I love how he constantly tries to ~charm her and it doesn't work at all. He actually makes the effort, multiple times in fact, and she rejects him every single time. "Listen dungeon boy, I'm done being your little slave girl" was so, so epic. As was the "you seriously hurt me, and I'll be damned if..." , I love how pre-compulsion Caroline engages in no apologism whatsoever, she knows the stakes and she's smart enough to try and get out of a horrifically unhealthy relationship. Cue, compulsion /sigh

S1 CAROLINE WAS AMAZING. Vampire!Caroline is so kickass, but I adored her human self as well, even though most of fandom seems to make a wide distinction btw the two :s

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badboy_fangirl November 17 2011, 21:40:42 UTC
You can have a word: PERFECT.

And I can have a word: HEARTACHE.

You manage to make me feel sorry for both of them; and the irony is really that in some ways, Damon's abusing himself. All the mean, nasty things he did and said to Caroline seems to me to be the self-recrimination that he never faces.

So awful, but also worthy of exploration.

I'd copy and paste, but there's not enough room in one comment for ALL THE WORDS. Just know I loved them all.

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youcallitwinter November 18 2011, 13:05:16 UTC
YOU READ A DAMON/CAROLINE FIC? Well, do I love you, or what! (Although I suppose it's more Caroline/her issues, Damon/his issues, haha.)

And the irony is really that in some ways, Damon's abusing himself. All the mean, nasty things he did and said to Caroline seems to me to be the self-recrimination that he never faces.

With Damon, it's pretty much a cycle of abuse; I love how his relationship with Katherine was so much a role-reversing mirror to his relationship with Caroline. He was so innocent in 1864, so completely awestruck and in love and Katherine played him perfectly; and then he did the exact same thing to Caroline, who always seems the most innocent out of her and Bonnie and Elena, since Elena had just faced death and Bonnie's always been much more mature. And of course, they both feel like they can't match up to people around them, and Damon knew EXACTLY what to say to hurt Caroline, because that's the exact same thing that'll hurt him ( ... )

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