Ever in motion the [spoiler]

Jun 15, 2006 11:16

I started this as a comment in someone's lj and realised it probably would be better as a post in mine so...

About those Doctor Who spoilers... )

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boji June 15 2006, 15:44:27 UTC
but I'm kinda hoping to get at least a few episodes where it's just the Doctor and Jack (assuming that he is still going back to DW for s3)

I'd love to see this. It's my dream, with bells and rings on Jack's toes ;-)

Hell I'd love them to be able to have Barrowman starring in both Torchwood and Doctor Who (scheduling wise this year Torchwood started filming six weeks or so before Doctor Who went into pre-production, though it might have been a tad less time - enough to suggest that he could appear in numerous episodes if we're lucky. But I think it's financial considerations more than anything else that are fuelling these decisions AND although I understand it totally, I still think it's a shame.

Personally I've found this series a let down in comparrison to the last. And I know there are numerous factors as to why, Tennant, the writing and more importantly the fact that RTD wasn't as hands on this series as he was last... I wish all these things could be addressed.

Series do seem to weaken as time goes on, and here I'm thinking of Hustle more than anything else. It will be interesting to see if Life on Mars is a strong come series 2.

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wolfling June 15 2006, 15:49:13 UTC
I'm finding this series not as captivating as the last as well, although I'm holding out final judgement until I see the whole thing. It's possible the end will have stuff in it that in retrospect make the whole season tie together much more coherently. I see hints that they might be able to do that at least. *fingers crossed*

Two shows with Captain Jack on at the same time would be much with the gleeful, although I don't know how realistically feasible it could be. But I'll settle for just continuing to get a Captain Jack fix. ;)

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snowspinner June 15 2006, 16:13:49 UTC
Yeah - I don't think I realized how thematically tightly wound S1 was until, oh, Bad Wolf or so.

My guess is that this season is going to, in some way, center around the idea of forgiveness. D10's seeming trademark phrase of "I'm sorry. I'm so sorry" was striking the first time. But each time since then, it's felt a little more pro forma to me. In "Impossible Planet," I didn't buy it at all - it seemed like he was saying it entirely for himself. And we can see that his messes are starting to pile up. The Ood. Very probably lying to Rose. Torchwood. Reinette. (OMG REINETTE) Possibly leaving Mickey and Captain Jack behind. And, of course, the elephant in the room - the Time War. D9 seemed consumed by his guilt, but D10 seems to ignore it, in favor of a happy-go-lucky approach. Only Reinette even seemed to get to him.

Perhaps Queen Victoria was right about him. In which case Torchwood is both his failing and the consequence of his failings. And eventually, he's going to have to confront it. And that will, I think, make everything this season into one story.

Anyway - this season had "The Girl in the Fireplace." And oh how I <3 that episode.

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wolfling June 15 2006, 17:16:52 UTC
I hadn't even thought about the "I'm sorry" thing. I'd been thinking it would be something about arrogance and the whole what makes a god question that seems to keep being touched on obliquely.

And Girl in the Fireplace was an *awesome* ep.

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boji June 15 2006, 18:40:51 UTC
The theme of the series has got to be hubris defined by the OED thus:

hubris
• noun excessive pride or self-confidence.
- DERIVATIVES hubristic adjective.
- ORIGIN Greek, originally denoting presumption towards or defiance of the gods, leading to nemesis.

My issue with this - and I'm thinking back to Boomtown here - in the famous dinner scene Margaret!Blon calls the Doctor on the way he passes judgemnt on other races, on the way that he seems to wade in where angels fear to tread, shake things up/fix things or break things and then leave. Without considering the consequences of his actions. Yet CE's Nine did seem to me to have a long term view about time and the proper place of things and species, wars and development within that linear time. He did seem to consider the consequences of other people's actions on the environment they were corrupting, so it seems damn Ood (sorry couldn't resist the pun) that he wouldn't consider his own actions in a similar vein.

Any thoughts?

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