I love my friends
I love the discussions I have with my friends. They are, on the whole, mentally invigorating, sometimes absurdist and terribly clever in a way that I will never be. Which is one of the reasons I am grateful for them.
I often ponder that they could rule the world if they collectively had enough ambition to do so.
Case in Point: My friend Karl and I, last night, had a short but amusing conversation about Homosexuality and God being a programmer. Hee hee - enjoy!
Karl: colbert googled teabag - :: guffaw ::
8:33:04 winterlady: and yeah, I see Frank as away, too
8:36:08 Karl: gawd how do you have a movement of "every race, creed, and color" and not include gays? uh... gays are a creed...
8:36:42 winterlady: lol I think they're a sexual orientation. ^_^
8:36:56 winterlady: creed is religious
8:37:17 winterlady: though, I"m sure some would argue with me on that point.
8:38:36 Karl: only in the sense that religion is a belief system, and homosexuality/heterosexuality are belief systems, ergo gay is a creed
8:41:39 winterlady: huh. That's an interesting idea -
8:42:09 winterlady: you think sexual orientation is a deliberate or subconscious choice?
8:42:15 winterlady: (just curious)
8:46:27 Karl: :: ponders how to explain this to someone not necessarily immersed in AI theory ::
8:46:44 winterlady: AI = artificial intelligence?
8:46:50 Karl: yah
8:46:55 Karl: here's the thing:
8:46:58 winterlady: k
8:47:06 winterlady: ::perks ears::
8:47:13 Karl: all reality to machines is virtual -
8:47:21 winterlady: okay
8:47:37 winterlady: oh I bet I know where you're going with this -
8:47:43 winterlady: but I wait with baited breath
8:48:19 Karl: so the key to creating an approximation of human behavior is not based on the performance of the machine, but on how accurately the designers incorporate all the factors to be emulated by the simulacrum
8:48:27 Karl: now -
8:48:55 Karl: if i want to create an android duplicate of sharon (we can call her "winterbot")
8:49:39 Karl: there are two aspects - the software (i.e. metacognitive software) and (theoretically) anatomically correct hardware
8:49:41 winterlady: lol
8:49:51 winterlady: ok
8:50:27 Karl: bringing the system online is a matter of plugging Core AI "A" into hardware body slot "B"
8:50:33 Karl: HOWEVER...
8:51:12 Karl: even today's laws of computing allow for multiple platforms to be run on the same hardware... and in AI terms, sexuality is just another variable
8:51:17 Karl: so...
8:52:02 Karl: making winterbot straight or a lesbian COULD be a matter of software programming... OR i could hardwire her wetware to prefer women even though her programming says "go hetero"
8:52:27 winterlady: well - but in either case,
8:52:39 Karl: in fact, it's these conflicts of id vs. ego that make humanity such an interesting experience
8:52:39 winterlady: there's an outside "programmer" Let's call him AdminGod -
8:52:53 Karl: mmmMMMmmhhmmnnn
8:53:09 winterlady: in either case, either software wise or hardwired in - both are done by said AdminGod
8:53:19 winterlady: in which case, Winterbot has no choice in her responses
8:53:27 winterlady: she's still at the mercy of @AdminGod
8:53:31 Karl: not entirely true
8:53:59 Karl: metacognitive software by definition allows for self-awareness, adaptation, and ad hoc reprogramming
8:54:17 winterlady: currect, but core programming is still in place. -
8:54:33 winterlady: assuming no major Kernel Panics take place causing permanent shutdown.
8:55:31 Karl: variable dynamic boolean choice.sexual.behavioral.response.hetero = 1
8:56:07 Karl: the software could allow for that to change...
8:56:09 Karl: now...
8:56:13 Karl: in hoomanz...
8:57:12 Karl: it's been theorized that a section of the brain needs to be doused with a certain intensity of a specific hormone during the first trimester of pregnancy in order for a person's sexual orientation to jibe with their "genetic gender identity"
8:58:05 Karl: the correct hormone makes you straight, the other hormone makes you gay, and no one has a clue about the bi's
8:58:37 winterlady: they get 1/2 and 1/2?
8:58:50 Karl: sound mathematical premise
8:59:26 winterlady: but - there's a flaw
8:59:36 winterlady: in the programming then.
8:59:56 winterlady: because, if @AdminGod is programming each and every human, then
9:00:26 winterlady: he's flipping dipswitches that let certain hormones in and out at certain times
9:00:58 winterlady: in which case, for those who are transgendered, God missed a dipswitch, which would make him imperfect?
9:01:13 winterlady: @AdminGod says, "oh dear" and vanishes in a poof of logic.
9:01:23 Karl: that's a philosophical/moral/religious assumption made by those who often claim that "@AdminGod doesn't make mistakes"
9:01:26 Karl: BUT
9:01:57 Karl: that's also an assumption that presumes that @AdminGod was involved directly in that aspect of the process
9:02:01 Karl: remember =
9:02:06 Karl: -
9:02:27 Karl: the metacognitive software is to a very large extent self-defining
9:02:33 winterlady: That's a valid point
9:02:35 Karl: and adaptive
9:03:03 winterlady: so what you're saying - is that Adam and Eve were the original programs... and what we are now is... Skynet?
9:03:23 Karl: hurm... that's one way of looking at it
9:03:43 winterlady: so as much as the programming is supposed to be adaptive -
9:03:55 Karl: legally, gays are citizens and therefore entitled to the rights under the law all citizens are -
9:04:01 winterlady: afte a period of time, making copies, the programming will become corrupt.
9:04:28 Karl: yeah... corruption is one logical (but unpopular argument) that i don't make
9:04:35 winterlady: yes, legally, I agree. Descrimination, by any other name, still smells like descrimination.
9:04:57 winterlady: it actually makes sense - if you look at the studies of retardation
9:05:00 winterlady: and genetic lines
9:05:18 winterlady: too much inbreeding or copying of the original programming leads to breaks in the logical chains.
9:05:27 winterlady: the program NEEDS new input.
9:05:31 Karl: because allowing homosexual genes back into the pool makes for an unstable base. humans are sexually reproductive creatures, so trying to breed same-gender might make for some issues
9:05:37 Karl: actually -
9:05:49 Karl: yours is a better argument for interracial breeding
9:06:10 winterlady: I have a theory tickling in the back of my brain.
9:06:13 winterlady: want to hear it?
9:07:42 Karl: sure
9:08:08 Karl: (was looking up the proper spelling of "tasacs"
9:08:41 winterlady: Armageddon? - will happen when our genetic coding has reached "saturation".
9:09:04 winterlady: When there will be no new codes to mix together, and we are all *truly* the same, on a genetic level.
9:09:31 winterlady: it's either that - or we will spontaneously evolve
9:09:35 winterlady: and become a new race
9:09:43 winterlady: in which the whole thing starts up all over again.
9:10:14 winterlady: which... now that I think on it, would be a perfectly logical and slightly twisted (but amusing) thing for @adminGod to do.
9:10:23 winterlady: being that he IS an Admin after all.
9:11:56 Karl: interesting -
9:13:00 Karl: i was going to say before something along the lines of "jews have tasacs as a genetic disorder, africans have sickle-cell as a genetic disorder"
9:13:45 Karl: but those genes can be eliminated from both subgroups of genetic coding by "merging the basecodes" as it were
9:14:26 winterlady: Gee - almost like we were supposed to play nice with one another.
9:14:28 winterlady: Go fig.
I often ponder that they could rule the world if they collectively had enough ambition to do so.
Case in Point: My friend Karl and I, last night, had a short but amusing conversation about Homosexuality and God being a programmer. Hee hee - enjoy!
Karl: colbert googled teabag - :: guffaw ::
8:33:04 winterlady: and yeah, I see Frank as away, too
8:36:08 Karl: gawd how do you have a movement of "every race, creed, and color" and not include gays? uh... gays are a creed...
8:36:42 winterlady: lol I think they're a sexual orientation. ^_^
8:36:56 winterlady: creed is religious
8:37:17 winterlady: though, I"m sure some would argue with me on that point.
8:38:36 Karl: only in the sense that religion is a belief system, and homosexuality/heterosexuality are belief systems, ergo gay is a creed
8:41:39 winterlady: huh. That's an interesting idea -
8:42:09 winterlady: you think sexual orientation is a deliberate or subconscious choice?
8:42:15 winterlady: (just curious)
8:46:27 Karl: :: ponders how to explain this to someone not necessarily immersed in AI theory ::
8:46:44 winterlady: AI = artificial intelligence?
8:46:50 Karl: yah
8:46:55 Karl: here's the thing:
8:46:58 winterlady: k
8:47:06 winterlady: ::perks ears::
8:47:13 Karl: all reality to machines is virtual -
8:47:21 winterlady: okay
8:47:37 winterlady: oh I bet I know where you're going with this -
8:47:43 winterlady: but I wait with baited breath
8:48:19 Karl: so the key to creating an approximation of human behavior is not based on the performance of the machine, but on how accurately the designers incorporate all the factors to be emulated by the simulacrum
8:48:27 Karl: now -
8:48:55 Karl: if i want to create an android duplicate of sharon (we can call her "winterbot")
8:49:39 Karl: there are two aspects - the software (i.e. metacognitive software) and (theoretically) anatomically correct hardware
8:49:41 winterlady: lol
8:49:51 winterlady: ok
8:50:27 Karl: bringing the system online is a matter of plugging Core AI "A" into hardware body slot "B"
8:50:33 Karl: HOWEVER...
8:51:12 Karl: even today's laws of computing allow for multiple platforms to be run on the same hardware... and in AI terms, sexuality is just another variable
8:51:17 Karl: so...
8:52:02 Karl: making winterbot straight or a lesbian COULD be a matter of software programming... OR i could hardwire her wetware to prefer women even though her programming says "go hetero"
8:52:27 winterlady: well - but in either case,
8:52:39 Karl: in fact, it's these conflicts of id vs. ego that make humanity such an interesting experience
8:52:39 winterlady: there's an outside "programmer" Let's call him AdminGod -
8:52:53 Karl: mmmMMMmmhhmmnnn
8:53:09 winterlady: in either case, either software wise or hardwired in - both are done by said AdminGod
8:53:19 winterlady: in which case, Winterbot has no choice in her responses
8:53:27 winterlady: she's still at the mercy of @AdminGod
8:53:31 Karl: not entirely true
8:53:59 Karl: metacognitive software by definition allows for self-awareness, adaptation, and ad hoc reprogramming
8:54:17 winterlady: currect, but core programming is still in place. -
8:54:33 winterlady: assuming no major Kernel Panics take place causing permanent shutdown.
8:55:31 Karl: variable dynamic boolean choice.sexual.behavioral.response.hetero = 1
8:56:07 Karl: the software could allow for that to change...
8:56:09 Karl: now...
8:56:13 Karl: in hoomanz...
8:57:12 Karl: it's been theorized that a section of the brain needs to be doused with a certain intensity of a specific hormone during the first trimester of pregnancy in order for a person's sexual orientation to jibe with their "genetic gender identity"
8:58:05 Karl: the correct hormone makes you straight, the other hormone makes you gay, and no one has a clue about the bi's
8:58:37 winterlady: they get 1/2 and 1/2?
8:58:50 Karl: sound mathematical premise
8:59:26 winterlady: but - there's a flaw
8:59:36 winterlady: in the programming then.
8:59:56 winterlady: because, if @AdminGod is programming each and every human, then
9:00:26 winterlady: he's flipping dipswitches that let certain hormones in and out at certain times
9:00:58 winterlady: in which case, for those who are transgendered, God missed a dipswitch, which would make him imperfect?
9:01:13 winterlady: @AdminGod says, "oh dear" and vanishes in a poof of logic.
9:01:23 Karl: that's a philosophical/moral/religious assumption made by those who often claim that "@AdminGod doesn't make mistakes"
9:01:26 Karl: BUT
9:01:57 Karl: that's also an assumption that presumes that @AdminGod was involved directly in that aspect of the process
9:02:01 Karl: remember =
9:02:06 Karl: -
9:02:27 Karl: the metacognitive software is to a very large extent self-defining
9:02:33 winterlady: That's a valid point
9:02:35 Karl: and adaptive
9:03:03 winterlady: so what you're saying - is that Adam and Eve were the original programs... and what we are now is... Skynet?
9:03:23 Karl: hurm... that's one way of looking at it
9:03:43 winterlady: so as much as the programming is supposed to be adaptive -
9:03:55 Karl: legally, gays are citizens and therefore entitled to the rights under the law all citizens are -
9:04:01 winterlady: afte a period of time, making copies, the programming will become corrupt.
9:04:28 Karl: yeah... corruption is one logical (but unpopular argument) that i don't make
9:04:35 winterlady: yes, legally, I agree. Descrimination, by any other name, still smells like descrimination.
9:04:57 winterlady: it actually makes sense - if you look at the studies of retardation
9:05:00 winterlady: and genetic lines
9:05:18 winterlady: too much inbreeding or copying of the original programming leads to breaks in the logical chains.
9:05:27 winterlady: the program NEEDS new input.
9:05:31 Karl: because allowing homosexual genes back into the pool makes for an unstable base. humans are sexually reproductive creatures, so trying to breed same-gender might make for some issues
9:05:37 Karl: actually -
9:05:49 Karl: yours is a better argument for interracial breeding
9:06:10 winterlady: I have a theory tickling in the back of my brain.
9:06:13 winterlady: want to hear it?
9:07:42 Karl: sure
9:08:08 Karl: (was looking up the proper spelling of "tasacs"
9:08:41 winterlady: Armageddon? - will happen when our genetic coding has reached "saturation".
9:09:04 winterlady: When there will be no new codes to mix together, and we are all *truly* the same, on a genetic level.
9:09:31 winterlady: it's either that - or we will spontaneously evolve
9:09:35 winterlady: and become a new race
9:09:43 winterlady: in which the whole thing starts up all over again.
9:10:14 winterlady: which... now that I think on it, would be a perfectly logical and slightly twisted (but amusing) thing for @adminGod to do.
9:10:23 winterlady: being that he IS an Admin after all.
9:11:56 Karl: interesting -
9:13:00 Karl: i was going to say before something along the lines of "jews have tasacs as a genetic disorder, africans have sickle-cell as a genetic disorder"
9:13:45 Karl: but those genes can be eliminated from both subgroups of genetic coding by "merging the basecodes" as it were
9:14:26 winterlady: Gee - almost like we were supposed to play nice with one another.
9:14:28 winterlady: Go fig.