Sorry to keep posting about politics...

Sep 19, 2008 15:29

But at this point, I'm sorry. I can't be objective any longer. Voting for McCain is pure folly. Foolish. He has NO clue what he's talking about. Sound familiar... like the current president we have? How is McCain going to help anyone when he doesn't understand basic economic principles? Leave a comment

cheyinka September 19 2008, 22:11:46 UTC
I don't expect that McCain will do much that is good and I do expect he'll want to maintain the status quo. Meanwhile, I am very seriously worried about the negative consequences if Obama keeps his campaign promises - i.e. the only way I'd vote for him is if I knew he didn't actually intend to do anything he wanted to do.

So, as I have too much lingering respect for the process of voting to vote for Cthulhu, it looks like I'm going to be doing what you consider pure folly.

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whisperingstorm September 19 2008, 22:50:05 UTC
My point is that Obama knows what he's doing and what he's talking about. He's intelligent and understands the situation.

McCain, quite obviously, speaks about matters that he has no clue on in order to present a demeanor of experience and "know how". He speaks with confidence about matters that he CLEARLY does not understand, and that, in my opinion, is the mark of a fool.

I was pretty 50/50 when Obama won the democratic nominee between Obama and McCain. Since then, I have seen NOTHING from McCain that leads me to believe he's ready to lead this country. His incredibly low cheap shots, his ability to talk about issues he's clueless on, and his ridiculous choice of Sarah Palin as the VP in order to buy the female vote is nothing short of insulting. Politics are about helping the country. Not "doing whatever it takes to win."

I would have a lot more respect for Mr. McCain if he weren't such a hypocrite and could actually admit that he doesn't have all the answers.

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cheyinka September 19 2008, 23:37:07 UTC
Or Obama knows enough and speaks well enough to speak intelligently, which is my opinion of him. My problem is that assuming that McCain doesn't understand anything he claims to understand and Obama understands everything he claims to understand (a more extreme position than I think you're taking), I would still not at all in any way for any possible reason want Obama elected.

That said, I don't think McCain's choice of Palin was "to buy the female vote" - I know of almost no women who would have voted for Hillary Clinton despite disagreeing with her, and she was actually the candidate, not the vp candidate. I think it was a calculated pick, to the tune of, "Okay, which of these governors best matches my Maverick(tm) image? look, it's a woman who defied the corrupt Alaska Republican party machine!" (Governors consistently do better than congresscritters; Obama picked another congresscritter as his running mate; ergo McCain was almost certain to pick a governor.)

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chaosgoose September 20 2008, 08:37:34 UTC
I'm curious - which of the campaign promises that Obama has made are you concerned about?

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cheyinka September 20 2008, 15:39:24 UTC
all of them.
-dive

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whisperingstorm September 20 2008, 17:36:00 UTC
Very descriptive. As opposed to McCain's, "I'll just wing it because I don't know shit".

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chaosgoose September 20 2008, 19:18:42 UTC
"Barack Obama and Joe Biden's Plan
Protect the Openness of the Internet: A key reason the Internet has been such a success is because it is the most open network in history. It needs to stay that way. Barack Obama strongly supports the principle of network neutrality to preserve the benefits of open competition on the Internet."

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whisperingstorm September 20 2008, 17:34:55 UTC
You know, this is why I think it's almost pointless to debate politics with other people. Because there is absolutely no give. McCain could say that he likes the taste of babies, and his supporters would defend him to the end of the Earth. There is NEVER any accountability or criticism of a candidate from his or her own side. If you really think that he chose Sarah Palin because he wanted a "maverick", well... you're free to think that ( ... )

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cheyinka September 20 2008, 21:12:07 UTC
Actually, no, it's not a generalization. Governors do better than senators or representatives in presidential elections. I don't think it will matter, personally, that McCain's running mate is a governor, because neither McCain nor Obama is a governor or has ever been one, or even a lieutenant governor. But, if I'm McCain looking for all the advantages I can get, I'm going to narrow down my list of potential candidates to governors first, just in case ( ... )

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bumdlonde September 20 2008, 18:54:51 UTC
Oh yeah, because espousing policies that would help 90% of the population while only asking the richest 10% to pay a little more in taxes would do serious harm to the country. I'm sorry, but I don't want grampa as our next president.

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cheyinka September 20 2008, 23:59:31 UTC
If I believed his policies would help 90% of the population, it would be a different matter - I have no problem asking the richest 10% to pay more in taxes, I have no real problem with higher taxes in and of themselves, actually. It's that I don't think Obama's policies will help.

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cheyinka September 21 2008, 14:16:24 UTC
"I have no problem asking the richest 10% to pay more in taxes, I have no real problem with higher taxes in and of themselves, actually"
^^^
all well and good for someone who doesn't actually pay taxes...

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