Re: Help me understand?eighthcloudOctober 12 2006, 16:05:57 UTC
Well, Veronica thought it was a sex toy, when it was really the shaver. And it turned off because the person knew she was in the room. If I had walked in on someone being raped, I know I'd feel terrible. It's just the "If I'd only..." thoughts that keep coming back, you know?
I do agree with you, though. People are hard on Veronica. Hell, Veronica is hard on Veronica.
Re: Help me understand?details15October 12 2006, 16:16:25 UTC
I agree, that in normal circumstances, what Veronica did was fine. But in the aftermath, I think anyone would still feel guilty about not stopping it, even if they didn't know it was happening, but what if they had turned on the light or said something? The what if is what makes Veronica feel guilty, even though she didn't do anything wrong.
Re: Help me understand?crnbrryOctober 12 2006, 16:39:26 UTC
Yeah, I can understand the regret and what-if feeling... but everyone else seems to be agreeing with it, like, "Yep, you should have, you judged her unfairly and now see what you did."
Even Mac. Mac roped Veronica into her own guilt.
Yeah, they're hard on themselves, but...
I dunno. Doesn't seem right to me. There's a difference between being spooked that you could have stopped it, and self-recrimination because you see your actions as YOU screwing up and as a result of that, someone gets hurt. Parker didn't get raped because Veronica didn't interrupt. She was in real trouble already. Veronica didn't enable the rape, or set it up, or cheer it on. She just witnessed it.
I guess the logic of causation rather than correlation (and correlation in itself would be "what if" inducing) bugs me.
Re: Help me understand?rycaOctober 12 2006, 21:09:01 UTC
I totally agree and was ranting about this same thing to my friend while we were watching it. We went to the same college, and we agree that Veronica was totally following dorm rules, and that it had nothing to do with thinking that Parker was a slut or anything. Just what-if guilts, but poorly phrased, imo.
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I do agree with you, though. People are hard on Veronica. Hell, Veronica is hard on Veronica.
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Even Mac. Mac roped Veronica into her own guilt.
Yeah, they're hard on themselves, but...
I dunno. Doesn't seem right to me. There's a difference between being spooked that you could have stopped it, and self-recrimination because you see your actions as YOU screwing up and as a result of that, someone gets hurt. Parker didn't get raped because Veronica didn't interrupt. She was in real trouble already. Veronica didn't enable the rape, or set it up, or cheer it on. She just witnessed it.
I guess the logic of causation rather than correlation (and correlation in itself would be "what if" inducing) bugs me.
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