Those who do not remember history are comdemned to repeat it?

[veritykindle]

I never really believed that, but fandom sure makes it hard to argue with this statement...

Comments

[kazbaby]

First of all, thank you for telling me what BNF means. I've been trying to figure out that sucker. ;) The answer I'd found when I googled was: Backus-Naur Form, and I was trying to figure out how in the hell that had to do with this.

I'm so not the best at finding answers via goggle. *snerk*

30 years? I thought you were like 24 or so. *gives you a weird look then hugs you for speaking up*

[veritykindle]

I'm 27 (almost 28 *sigh* how time flies...). That article is *definitely* before my time. But *nothing* is hidden from the eagle eye of google, not even 30-40-year-old kerfuffles. *g*

(And hey, I just found the article, and it's from 1954, not from the 60's. So... at least a *50*-year-old argument, not 30! *sigh* You'd think we would have grown up at least a *little bit* since then, wouldn't we...)

*hugs you back* I was a little afraid to speak out, so I'm glad I didn't sound too stupid. :)

[vilakins]

Wow, that was written in 1954? I note the use not just of 'BNF', but 'zine' and 'fen', terms I only learned this century after I became a fan. 'Neofan' seems to have been replaced by 'newbie' though. Fascinating stuff! I had no idea fandom went back that far.

[veritykindle]

Isn't it interesting? I was *amazed* when I found that article. I even thought it might be a fake, but one of the people on that thread that prompted me to find it actually said that she remembered that author, back from his BNF days, and he *was* writing at around that time

[elishavah]

::smooches::

Seriously, anyone who thinks their fandom is doing something that hasn't already been done, likely a gazillion times, needs to have a pin taken to their puffed-up heads. I've said it before: the standard fandom-go-boom triggers exist in many permutations, and just because you [generic] don't know what they are, that doesn't mean you're special when you trip one.

[veritykindle]

Hee! But I'd *like* for there to be something new! What is the point of having all that information out here, so easy to access, if we can't *learn* something from it?

... Or we can just all talk about stilts, instead. ;) *giggles at your icon*

Oh, by the way, I checked out My Name is Earl because of you, and now I'm hopelessly addicted, and it's *all your fault*! You Evil Enabler you! *hugs*

Also... I owe you music, don't I... Sorry about that. I'll see about putting it up when I get home. (Which will be pretty late, unfortunately, since today is my TV night with my brother...)

[simplystars]

Come on, these people are idiots. Paying attention to them will only make them feel like you are validating their arguments. Can't we just ignore them and move on with enjoying the parts of fandom that are actually fun and worth while? *is sad*

Well, yes, we could. And a good person's reputation would continue to be maligned in public. For me, it was important to say something about it.

The only other thing I have to say is, people don't change. Technology might, and people might adapt, but our basic biology and psychology are the same. But again, that's MHO.

[veritykindle]

*hugs* I agree with you on the part about defending the good person's reputation. When I found out *who* those idiots were maligning, I couldn't believe it, either. I mean, how ridiculous can they get?! Who do they think they are?! *fumes

[simplystars]

Yup, it was the public nature of the post that I objected to. She has every right to think what she will - and I in no way expected my own post to change anyone's mind - but she can bitch to her friends about it privately, like the rest of us do.

Or if she's gonna throw down a gauntlet, be open about it. If you want people to know who it is, if you're SO convinced that you're right, name names. Be specific. And then be prepared to take lumps if people disagree and think you're a crackhead.

Otherwise, I agree with you. The same arguments, just like the same memes, get tiresome. But that's the cycle of human nature, I 'spose. ;)

[kernezelda]

I'm glad you finally posted about something, sweetheart. I agree, these arguments are old, but in this case, a specific person known to many of us as a good, honorable person was being maligned.
I was moved to refute the accusation in the accuser's LJ, but I'm just as glad a spirited defense was put up, in order to lay out the facts.

((((Katya)))) Post more often, honey.

[veritykindle]

{{{Kerne}}} I *am* trying to post more, I really am. I just wish it wouldn't take something like this to make me post...

And I'm beginning to think I *am* in the wrong here... I finally got to read the post, and you are right -- it was just crying out to be refuted. *fumes along with everybody else*

[somedaybitch]

i don't think you're in the wrong at all. on the whole, it's very sound logic and fwankers kerfluffle precisely to get attention, because they aren't getting enough simply by existing.

in this particular case, though, stars was spot on because it was accusatory and inaccurate.

:::leaves you chocolate:::

[veritykindle]

Mmmm... Chocolate! *forgets what she was going to say and munches on chocolate happily*

*hugs* Thanks!