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[kill_inhibition]

Hello everyone

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[dirtybreeze]

yeah, this. Eggs are chicken periods, thats how i see it.

[emploding]

Heh, it grosses my friends out when I call eggs "a period in a shell", but it's true!

[dirtybreeze]

As a vegan, I feel we are more attune to the corruption and overpopulation rife in all societies. I therefore support abortion. Look at places like third world countries, with no contraception and I am assuming no abortion facilities available. People are continually born into misery, poverty and corruption, something I bet we wouldn't wish on our worst enemies. Here in britain, people constantly have lots of kids in order to receive benefits (set amount of money a week etc). I know this is me going off on a tangent, but I think it is relative. Basically, abortion is justifiable in all sorts of situations, i.e. pregnancy resulting from rape. Also, I feel adoption over your own pregnancy is a great way to go. The world is overpopulated, and its benefiting no one.

tl:dr I support abortion.

[xvx_dagda_xvx]

Agreed.

Also, I think the stats are something that of all the pregnancies in the US, there is roughly an equal number aborted to those that are carried out- that would certainly have an impact on population.

[terrorgore]

i'm personally terrified by the idea of a world without both birth control & abortion, believing that the human population on earth is fantastically unsustainable as it is. i don't at all like vague concepts of population "culls" thrown around by some vegans either - but my veganism stems not only from opposition to animal cruelty but from environmental priorities & resonance with deep ecology philosophies. i do not see a way to conserve what biodiversity remains on earth without a gradual decline (through natural causes of death) in the human population, in addition to radical changes in our eating habits & ways of living - hopefully eventually bringing our species more in tune with those around us.

[n_yuvn]

Gary Francione has a bit to say about it. I'd suggest reviewing it here. In summary:

One right holder exists within the body of another right holder and is dependent upon her for the very existence that serves as the predicate for the fetus having interests in the first place. Such a conflict is unique, and protection of fetal interests risks state intrusion on the woman’s body and privacy interests in a way that no other protection of the basic right of another requires.

[megamuphen]

I tagged your post so that you can look back at previous discussions about it.

I am anti-abortion, but I know I am in a pretty small minority among vegans.

[kill_inhibition]

Can you expand more about it? I'm really interested in the topic from a human rights perspective (and of course how you relate it to veganism).

[megamuphen]

Sure. (If I'm the only one commenting this time, you should look back at the older posts though, there are a feeeeew others, and they may have different reasons/explanations/feelings on the issue) Though, I find it difficult to have a meaningful discussion/debate about abortion without agreeing on the basic terms that we are discussing, which is one of the reasons I think that such discussions rarely get very far. What is at stake is at what point a being becomes a life deserving of rights. At birth? Once it is viable outside the womb? After a trimester? When it has a heartbeat? At conception? Implantation? If person A thinks life begins and birth and person B thinks that life begins at conception, they are not even approaching the issue from the same point of reference. From a human rights perspective, it is really about deciding how many humans have rights at stake here. One, or two? “clump of cells,” “fetus,” “baby,” whatever you want to call it, is still unique and human

[kill_inhibition]

Thanks for the input.
Even though we don't agree on this topic I respect the value you place on life and potential life.