J'ai compris que beaucoup de gens sont comme ça, mais moi-même, je ne sais pas être triste quand quelqu'un trouve ce que lui fait heureux... ou se libère de quelque chose qui lui a fait malheureux. (Avec le christianisme c'est logique, je vois bien que vous serez tristes, c'est moi seulement qui est différente.)
Ça c'est vraiment tragique. Ma famille n'est pas religieuse, mais être chrétien sans qu'ils soient chrétiens était bizarre. Cependant, je ne dis pas que je suis athée maintenant, et je ne vais pas me changer selon ma famille ou mes amis, c'est moi qui décide et si les gens autour de moi ne comprennent pas, c'est triste bien sûr, mais c'est leur problème. Tout ce que je voudrais, c'est rester amis/famille avec eux.
Understanding and moving beyond differences isn't easy, but it has been easier to do with friends, at least for me. Friends seem more willing to learn your reasons for believing or not believing, and to say, "Ok, I see it differently, but I respect your choice." Dialogue without winners or losers or hatred, as you say.
Of course, something like this is a big part of life, and you still prefer to have this in common with the people you care about - a shared philosophy and set of experiences. So it can be sad, as atthemariinsky said. I also think it's harder for family for those very reasons (shared values and all) because family is supposed to be closer. They seem to take it as more of a betrayal, and worry that maybe your love for them could change just as drastically? It's irrational, but that is the nature of emotion.
Very true. When it comes to family, it seems all changes are difficult to accept - no matter whether you quit the faith they have or adopt one that they don't, there will be something you're not sharing with them. Families inevitably "break" though, children seek their own lives which their parents won't always be satisfied with, but little can they demand in the end.
Although I'd be just as disappointed or shocked if someone from my family joined any religious group I'm not part of.
"perfect Christians don't exist" debateable, though there are arguably very few. one could easily cite those who were assumed into heaven without death (Moses, Elijah, the Virgin Mary) as being considered by God to be perfect Jews/Christians. however Christianity and Judaism are a bit different than others, you dont work for perfection - you allow God to make you perfect. most people get caught up in the "Doing things my way" or "Im not good enough to be cleansed" mindsets
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I was considering the practically non-existent number of them and decided it'd be better to say this way. I get the point, but from a secular point of view wouldn't it be a nice world if you were all perfect? Obeyed all the commandments and lived in the proper Christian way.
Aioin kirjoittaa tähän jotain, mutta päätin jättää sen tekemättä. Yritän tehdä sen vaikka seuraavan kerran kun nähdään mesessä jos muistan tai jotain ^^ Koita pärjätä.
I will write this in English so that I can express myself better. I don't know about your country, whether christianity is taken as a norm. I myself am a catholic, but I live in a place where there are so many different religions and free-thinkers that such things make little difference to people's relationships
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Here the majority is officially Christian (Lutheran), but I'd say most of Finland is secular; people seem to prefer ignoring such matters... I didn't even think about countries like yours where religions inevitably mix, but that's a brilliant point, and I think if there's someone I should listen to, it's you, for you have experience
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Ça c'est vraiment tragique. Ma famille n'est pas religieuse, mais être chrétien sans qu'ils soient chrétiens était bizarre. Cependant, je ne dis pas que je suis athée maintenant, et je ne vais pas me changer selon ma famille ou mes amis, c'est moi qui décide et si les gens autour de moi ne comprennent pas, c'est triste bien sûr, mais c'est leur problème. Tout ce que je voudrais, c'est rester amis/famille avec eux.
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Of course, something like this is a big part of life, and you still prefer to have this in common with the people you care about - a shared philosophy and set of experiences. So it can be sad, as atthemariinsky said. I also think it's harder for family for those very reasons (shared values and all) because family is supposed to be closer. They seem to take it as more of a betrayal, and worry that maybe your love for them could change just as drastically? It's irrational, but that is the nature of emotion.
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Although I'd be just as disappointed or shocked if someone from my family joined any religious group I'm not part of.
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