Death of a 'Ship'
I've been meaning to talk about this for a long time. I have read rants from fellow John/Teyla shippers who have a tone of apology within their defense of Conversion. Now this is not another rant, this is a final refutation so people can shut up and get their eyes open and pay attention
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I felt I succeded in putting a clinical spin to the scenes listed. I mean I've done the same with John and Teyla in many scenes. What separates Teyla/John from let's say Ronon/Teyla or John and Weir is one thing.
They have the words and the actions to back them up. This is my only point. Just to look at Allies is a perfect example. She says to John, 'I chose to put my trust in you.' For John to care so much about Teyla's opinion is definitely not seen when he's with Weir or any other member of the team. I doubt Ronon even cares to much of Teyla's opinion, cause if he did, he wouldn't have killed his CO in front of Teyla--in that way.
John has shown he continuously cares--he hasn't done that with any other member of the team or Weir. Even though Teyla may be living on Atlantis because she sees the Atlantis Ex as a means to a an end. She clearly put her own feelings aside to assist John. She didn't do it for Atlantis, she didn't do it for Weir. She didn't do it because of the team, and she sure as hell didn't do it cause they convinced her. She did it because she put her trust in John. That is deep, because obviously no one else holds that high of a position.
She wasn't taken over by any aliens or transient beings, she wasn't bitten by a bug. She was asked a straight question and she answered it. If she had wanted to say, 'I put my trust in the team.'--then I would have had another interpretation. She could have said that, she did something of the sort in 'Suspicion'---but in Allies she said 'you' to John. Here is my point of why their relationship dynamic is significantly different than any of the other LIKELY hetero pairings.
On a final point. I see a lot of Caldwell/Weir (frightful as that pairing is) but I didn't add that to the topic, since it's not part of the discussion at hand. My focus which I thought I made clear was John/Teyla and John/Elizabeth in both TLG and Conversion--You brought up the Ronon situation, which was pointless; since you recognized my position. I even had said Ronon played less than a 10 minute part in either episodes. This article post was in response to many comments regarding the J/T ship and the death of their viability and I decided to dissect the other dominant ship expressed in these two episodes.
I have seen an equal amount of recognition for both Ronon/Weir and the Ronon/Teyla pairings. And if you go to fanfiction.net there's a heavy standing for both...but again it's unimportant to me, since I find them both unlikely for different reasons.
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John has shown he continuously cares--he hasn't done that with any other member of the team or Weir.
This statement is just wrong. If you want to talk about him caring about other members of his team specifically, let's talk about Grace Under Pressure. He was driving himself crazy trying to figure out a way to save Rodney. He even lost his temper with Zelenka. In Trinity Rodney uses John's feelings for him in order to get him on board with the Doranda project. In Aurora, Rodney even points out that he and Sheppard take turns saving each other's lives and now it's his turn.
In The Eye we see how much John cares about Weir. When Kolya tells John that he killed Weir, John's "I will kill you" always makes me realize how ruthless John can be when someone threatens a person that he cares about.
John's obvious guilt and pain over Ford's addiction and subsequent defection are proof that he cares very deeply about Ford as well. This is also evident in The Intruder when he has to talk to Ford's cousin.
I'm not here to argue for a slash pairing, and I'm definitely not here to argue for John/Elizabeth, but I think that it's a disservice to John's leadership skills to say that he values one member of his team over any other, when that is simply not true.
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When I say continously cares...I'm focus on opinion---I believe I did expand on that in my post. It would be really stupid of me to focus on caring and to say he doesn't care about any one else on the team or Atlantis. He wouldn't have stayed on if that was the case.
My focus was on his caring of her opinion. I have seen on many occasions on how he asks her opinion and tries to make sure that her opinion is heard and recognized. This is not to say that he doesn't care about any one elses opinion---I would have said that about Shep in S1, since he did a lot of things out of hand. But even in S1, he asked how Teyla felt about certain things. That was my meaning and my intention.
Excuse me for omitting the word opinion after "continously cares". Of course before again I'm misunderstood this is not to say that he disqualifies McKay's input in any thing that is being said...but he doesn't ask McKay if he's okay with it..he just pretty much orders McKay to do it.
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