[controversial] on transmisogyny and male privilege

[aaskew]

(apologies in advance because this possibly comes across as a 'what about the menz? :(' post. I've tried my best not to make it so, but this is a topic I'd like to discuss further

Comments

[cykotyks]

Misogyny eventually affects everyone, not just women. My boyfriend tells me he's seen trans women try to accuse trans men of not knowing what misogyny is because we're men, which completely invalidates the fact that most trans men were brought up as women. Yes, we understand misogyny, and yes, we have been (and sometimes still are) affected by it

[aaskew]

I think there needs to be a lot more dialogue about intersectionality, because most forms of privilege/oppression aren't a matter of someone either having them or not having them; while some might exist independently, sometimes there are degrees of each privilege that vary depending on that person's other group identities.

Looking back on my life I realise that I did experience male privilege as a child despite not yet figuring out I was trans (I saw myself as someone who "wanted to be a boy", but had no other words for it). For instance, I had no shortage of male role models and fictional characters to look up to and try to emulate, or pretend to be as a form of escapism. For a brief period in my pre-teen years (which I now deeply regret) I tried to deal with my dysphoria by distancing myself from girls, telling myself that they sucked and I wasn't like them, eschewing and deriding anything feminine or associated with femaleness, and misogynistic society by and large agreed with me and supported my views

[aaskew]

"But would we say gay cis men are also affected by misogyny?"

It would probably be effective to have clearer definitions of the terms; if misogyny extends to hatred of femininity, rather than just women, then fem men could likewise be victims of it. Discussions of misogyny seem to be moving towards that direction, but I'm not sure how universally that definition is accepted.

[the_physicist]

At men are not affected by misogyny as I see it. They are affected by homophobia. Fem gay men more because people recognise them as gay more so they are a bigger target.

[the_physicist]

i guess that could work? i really don't know, lol.