Would Transgender exist in a more fluid society?

[irish_deutsch]

A lesbian friend today said that men need to stand up as women did, for their rights to expand the limitations society imposes in terms of appearance and behaviour., in short the binary system. As a result of the female stance women today enjoy far greater freedom of expression than men in most cultures

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[splinterjete]

the assertion that 'men' need to expand the social norms for what is acceptable gendered behaviour has often been used as a ploy to exclude trans women from women's space. it not only renders our self-proclaimed identities as invalid but also is more insidiously pejoritive in that it makes us seem less able to challenge social expectations that are placed on us

[scialytic]

I don't know you, but based on this comment alone, I love you.

:)

[splinterjete]

:) thanks. my name's rebecca and i'm from toronto (canada). i occasionally get on my soapbox and write stuff like this.

~b*

[ftmichael]

Just a note:

There are apparently less female to male transsexuals
No, there are not. FTMs are generally harder to spot and less likely to have GRS, which is how we've traditionally been counted - people go to surgeons and ask who's had surgery. Even today, with some people contacting surgeons who do FTM top surgery as well, talking to therapists, etc. to try to get better numbers, a lot of us simply aren't counted. Some folks have said that FTMs are more likely to live stealth than MTFs; I have no idea if that's true, but generally it's certainly easier for FTMs to do so.

[splinterjete]

that's a good point as well. thanks for adding it.

~b*

[laguz_godin]

I like what you've said here, but I disagree with it being easier.
I don't, personally, fell that it is certainly easier for me to live in stealth, if that is what you meant.

Cheers,
-L

[laguz_godin]

feel**

[kesnit]

I would say freeing up gender standards wouldn't change the number of trans people. As you pointed out, society views masculine women as acceptable, but many female-born still transition.

Society accepting masculine women could never give me the physical appearance that my inner self has. Society would never call me "sir," even though "ma'am" never worked for me.

[nikolche]

I was born and raised as a straight girl. I am a gay man. A VERY gay man. A rainbow wearing, pride going, metro dressing, boy band loving gay man. Societal gender expectations have nothing to do with my transition. My desire for a flat chest, lower voice, and 9" dick (eh, can't have everything) do.

[killingm00n]

You are my twin. Let's sew our shirts together!

[nikolche]

Dude, awesome. [bounces] Mind if I add you?

[killingm00n]

Absolutely. :)

I'm the gayest gay man I know, beyond flaming, and the biggest drag queen in the world. Its just awesome to meet my twinnie. ;)

[boidragon]

your post is interesting. i lived for 3 years as a dyke and enjoyed greater expression of my gender (genderqueer FTM) than I have being out as a FTM... it's strange. i've had many people give me suggestions on how to be more manly... i suppose it's better (and more accepted) to be a masculine woman then to be a feminine man.

[winter_ayars]

That's for sure!

At least, it is today. In the society i live.