Everyone, we have one matter we really need to work on resolving, especially since we don't know when Stacy may release the next set of crew members
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I'm not alright with the idea of any more clones being created for any reason, either. As for Mei-Xing, her clone is already in existence, and she does need it for emergencies because of how her magic works. It doesn't seem like the clone will ever be a functioning person, either.
Looking at it from a purely logical perspective, Mei Xing has in fact, paid, bought, created and has stated her intent. I know as much as anyone that damaging one's body if they are that fragile magically will cause severe repercussions, possibly resulting in internal maiming, bleeding, death and possible evil shambling corpse.
I say we let her keep it, no matter what kind of problems it'll cause. It's hers, and as much as I'm a big people activist, this is a case of "Homeworld Logic" clashing with "ZOMGWTF". So to speak.
I would suggest keeping certain personages under a restraining order on BOTH SIDES, just to make sure one or the other does not go and try and ventilate someone's brain with a well placed shot.
I'm sorry, but it's hard to believe I'm actually reading some of the things being said here.
I don't care if someone paid money for her back in their world, but that poor girl isn't property, she's a person! She's a living, breathing being that had something unimaginably cruel done to her for the sake of someone else's selfishness, and how can anyone possibly condone that
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My kind aren't clones, but we were created from dragon eggs, and many of us were born from one egg, which is rather similar. I have also come extremely close to being used to make actual clones, ones that were dumb as a box of rocks. I worked with some of those clones, briefly, and while I had hope that they would one day regain some part of what they used to be, it never happened. They died within three years.
I'm not making my decision based on the clone's origins. I am making it based on whether or not it even has the possibility of being a person. As far as we know, it doesn't. If proof is found otherwise, I'll reconsider.
The fact of the matter is, the world Mei-Xing is from and the way her magic operates, she does need it. If she didn't, and could make do in an emergency with an organ or limb that Stacy provides her with, then I would advocate destroying the clone.
The clone isn't an "it," it's a "she." Who are you to judge whether she could "be a person" or not? She's still alive, and the damage that was done to her was part of the horror of creating her in the first place!
If you haven't been down to Medical, they work miracles there. They can probably grow the parts she needs completely from scratch! Haven't they done that before?
I'm sorry, but from what I see, you're advocating keeping a living being in perpetual, unending torment and telling an entire group of the crew that they effectively don't have the same rights that the rest of us do, just for the sake of one singular person on this ship!
If her magic relies on trapping a poor girl in a painful existence like that, then maybe she shouldn't be using it in the first place.
From what I've been told, the clone has been in a coma for gods know how many years, and has never been awake. Never. I doubt she is in any pain. She is fully developed, physically, but her brain is, essentially, dead. I highly doubt she will ever be able to function as anything resembling a sentient being.
I know it's possible for Stacy to grow parts. I've received nerve grafts. How long would it take, though? The longer Mei-Xing goes without having an organ or limb replaced, the more stress it puts on her body, and more importantly, her magic. It is far more practical for her to have one immediately usable. And just to be clear, I'm not comfortable with her creating any more clones after this one. She shouldn't need to, unless something extreme happens.
It's a tough decision that not everyone is going to like, but unfortunately, we're in a war. Mei-Xing's magic may be crucial to victory in a future battle. We can't win it if we're dead.
Cloning humans is not even viable in my time, so I'm afraid I can't offer my insight on the ethics of it-- though I do believe that creating life for such a purpose is horrifying and shouldn't be condoned.
The Science Department will not condone of any further full-organism cloning operations on this ship.
On the other hand, in this case, what's done has been done. It would theoretically be possible to grant her consciousness, but I am not sure it wouldn't be more cruel to do such a thing. The morality may be skewed, but it is the morality that Ms. Mei-Xing has come from and it isn't right to pass judgment on her retroactively.
My galaxy has more than a little experience with clones in its past, and I have personal experience to draw on. While this clone might not be able to live without outside help, that doesn't mean we shouldn't give her the same rights as a fully conscious and aware being. If we start doing that, it becomes not only a question of how we as a crew treat cloned beings, but how we as a crew treat beings who also can't live without some kind of machine to help them.
This being is alive. I think every effort should be made to give her her own consciousness and care for her as best we can--and make sure she isn't kept like a prize nerf.
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I say she should be allowed to keep it.
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I say we let her keep it, no matter what kind of problems it'll cause. It's hers, and as much as I'm a big people activist, this is a case of "Homeworld Logic" clashing with "ZOMGWTF". So to speak.
I would suggest keeping certain personages under a restraining order on BOTH SIDES, just to make sure one or the other does not go and try and ventilate someone's brain with a well placed shot.
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I don't care if someone paid money for her back in their world, but that poor girl isn't property, she's a person! She's a living, breathing being that had something unimaginably cruel done to her for the sake of someone else's selfishness, and how can anyone possibly condone that ( ... )
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I'm not making my decision based on the clone's origins. I am making it based on whether or not it even has the possibility of being a person. As far as we know, it doesn't. If proof is found otherwise, I'll reconsider.
The fact of the matter is, the world Mei-Xing is from and the way her magic operates, she does need it. If she didn't, and could make do in an emergency with an organ or limb that Stacy provides her with, then I would advocate destroying the clone.
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If you haven't been down to Medical, they work miracles there. They can probably grow the parts she needs completely from scratch! Haven't they done that before?
I'm sorry, but from what I see, you're advocating keeping a living being in perpetual, unending torment and telling an entire group of the crew that they effectively don't have the same rights that the rest of us do, just for the sake of one singular person on this ship!
If her magic relies on trapping a poor girl in a painful existence like that, then maybe she shouldn't be using it in the first place.
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I know it's possible for Stacy to grow parts. I've received nerve grafts. How long would it take, though? The longer Mei-Xing goes without having an organ or limb replaced, the more stress it puts on her body, and more importantly, her magic. It is far more practical for her to have one immediately usable. And just to be clear, I'm not comfortable with her creating any more clones after this one. She shouldn't need to, unless something extreme happens.
It's a tough decision that not everyone is going to like, but unfortunately, we're in a war. Mei-Xing's magic may be crucial to victory in a future battle. We can't win it if we're dead.
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The Science Department will not condone of any further full-organism cloning operations on this ship.
On the other hand, in this case, what's done has been done. It would theoretically be possible to grant her consciousness, but I am not sure it wouldn't be more cruel to do such a thing. The morality may be skewed, but it is the morality that Ms. Mei-Xing has come from and it isn't right to pass judgment on her retroactively.
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This being is alive. I think every effort should be made to give her her own consciousness and care for her as best we can--and make sure she isn't kept like a prize nerf.
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