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I want new villains too. What about those minions present during the casting of the curse? We haven't seen any of Regina's minions since then except for Sidney/mirror, the Huntsman, and the guards.
[quote]I think Charming's real name will turn out to be David, the shepherd who basically falls into the role of King and hero.[/quote]
I hadn't thought of that, but it's neat that that's his Storybrooke name. He's a normal seeming guy who turns out to be Prince Charming.
[quote]. And not that the ends justify the means, but Rumple's machinations have all fundamentally been done out of love--love for his son. Regina's have come out of misplaced hatred and ego--it was so telling to me that her dream a few weeks ago was all about her winning. It wasn't about Daniel at all. It was just her desire to win.[/quote]
Of course she wants to win. She's always losing what's important to her, even if in the case of the Henrys it was due to her own actions. She hated Snow White because she triggered her first important loss, even if it wasn't her fault, and she was safer to hate than her mother, from whom she learned that she needed to have power and win or else be vulnerable to people like, well, her mother. Rumplestiltskin, while also capable of loving, is all about power too, or he wouldn't have had so much trouble giving it up that he'd drive away his own son and Belle. Then he brought magic back at the end because it's power.
[quote]More than that, Rumple still has, I think, a capacity for redemption. I absolutely do not think, when the chips are down, he would be able to stab Belle or Bae. No. Way. Whereas the Queen has already proved she's pretty much deficient of all human feeling. There's nothing redeemable there.[/quote]
Except for the complete contradiction of that statement that is her behavior in the finale. There's no way she doesn't love Henry, no matter how many bad things she does. And she certainly wouldn't keep trying to convince him that she loves him all throughout the show, even in private when there was no one to see, if she didn't care about him, let alone try to save him and then tell him she loves him after she thinks she's defeated. Not to mention that the Stable Boy was full of her having feelings that wouldn't be important to her backstory if she didn't feel them strongly. Then, I always thought it was hard for her to kill her father, but that she couldn't stop now after spending so much time with the hate in her heart. I don't think the curse would have worked if she hadn't given up what she loved most, and then she named Henry after him. Of course that doesn't make what she does all right, but she's still very ambiguous and emotionally damaged, even if the show itself still frames her as the antagonist. I was hoping she'd be put in a more grey role, but foresee that it won't happen. Maybe it will happen with Rumplestiltskin, maybe not. I'll be unhappy if it happens for him and not for her, when the only thing I see separating their potential for redemption is that unless we see something new out of Henry, no one will be wanting for Regina change and be with them peacefully. So she has nothing to gain from changing and no one who would give her a chance after all she's done, unlike Rumplestiltskin having Belle and possibly later his son. That makes me sad, but it is what it is.
[quote]I think Charming's real name will turn out to be David, the shepherd who basically falls into the role of King and hero.[/quote]
I hadn't thought of that, but it's neat that that's his Storybrooke name. He's a normal seeming guy who turns out to be Prince Charming.
[quote]. And not that the ends justify the means, but Rumple's machinations have all fundamentally been done out of love--love for his son. Regina's have come out of misplaced hatred and ego--it was so telling to me that her dream a few weeks ago was all about her winning. It wasn't about Daniel at all. It was just her desire to win.[/quote]
Of course she wants to win. She's always losing what's important to her, even if in the case of the Henrys it was due to her own actions. She hated Snow White because she triggered her first important loss, even if it wasn't her fault, and she was safer to hate than her mother, from whom she learned that she needed to have power and win or else be vulnerable to people like, well, her mother. Rumplestiltskin, while also capable of loving, is all about power too, or he wouldn't have had so much trouble giving it up that he'd drive away his own son and Belle. Then he brought magic back at the end because it's power.
[quote]More than that, Rumple still has, I think, a capacity for redemption. I absolutely do not think, when the chips are down, he would be able to stab Belle or Bae. No. Way. Whereas the Queen has already proved she's pretty much deficient of all human feeling. There's nothing redeemable there.[/quote]
Except for the complete contradiction of that statement that is her behavior in the finale. There's no way she doesn't love Henry, no matter how many bad things she does. And she certainly wouldn't keep trying to convince him that she loves him all throughout the show, even in private when there was no one to see, if she didn't care about him, let alone try to save him and then tell him she loves him after she thinks she's defeated. Not to mention that the Stable Boy was full of her having feelings that wouldn't be important to her backstory if she didn't feel them strongly. Then, I always thought it was hard for her to kill her father, but that she couldn't stop now after spending so much time with the hate in her heart. I don't think the curse would have worked if she hadn't given up what she loved most, and then she named Henry after him. Of course that doesn't make what she does all right, but she's still very ambiguous and emotionally damaged, even if the show itself still frames her as the antagonist. I was hoping she'd be put in a more grey role, but foresee that it won't happen. Maybe it will happen with Rumplestiltskin, maybe not. I'll be unhappy if it happens for him and not for her, when the only thing I see separating their potential for redemption is that unless we see something new out of Henry, no one will be wanting for Regina change and be with them peacefully. So she has nothing to gain from changing and no one who would give her a chance after all she's done, unlike Rumplestiltskin having Belle and possibly later his son. That makes me sad, but it is what it is.