Discussion and Request!

[kaishiro15]

Hi! I know I'm new here, but I just wanted to ask the people who are members of "The Phantom Hive" livejournal (cause you can only access it only if you're a memeber), that if you didn't know, please vote for the Tiger&Bunny doujinshi to be released on Friday the 20th. Currently, Hitman Reborn is leading by 17 votes so far, so we need a lot

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[kaishiro15]

Thanks!

I'm actually a fan of bottom!Kotetsu but I do agree with you that I don't like some of the ways he's portrayed in doujinshis'. That's why you've to look harder for good ones. :)

Yeah, in the beginning, I used to cheer for the female protangainsts too. But when they started complicating relationships and screwing around with the plot because of romantic issues, I had to put the book down in order to not throw it across the room.

True, I also like the feminine-looking boy characters in the past because well, they were eye-catching. Helped that I was interested in drawing too. I kinda shifted from those kind of characters. Mostly b/c fanfics/art of those type of characters tend to be sorta horrible (found an awful lot of rape fics with the character, well, not being in character) and there haven't been a lot of good manga or anime with these types of characters. The most I've found lately could be described as the female main characters you had just described.

I'm not really sure exactly what type of personality I like. Cheerful upbeat characters is an oldtime favorite but classy manificent basterds are also fun to watch. They're just so... smooth when dishing out insults.
Still love comedic characters the most though so I guess whoever can make me laugh more.

I do admit that I favor Kotetsu as a bottom but I can be persuaded to switch relationships if it's written right. It's just that bottom!Kotetsu fanfics tend to have more potential for hilairity while Kotetsu/Barnaby stories seem to mostly be gloomly-ish ones. That's just my personal opinion though.
Kotetsu/Karina is possible but I think the series need her to actually learn more about Kotetsu before anything can even get started.

[lksugui]

I just don't like it when there's too much humiliation or Kotetsu is too OOC. Actually, I don't like humiliation and OOCness to any character, I can't really find anything funny in that. I don't have any problem with Bunny crossdressed and playing a dominatrix act to Kotetsu but hey, the keyword here is "playing". No real violence, please.

Curiously, the impression you have of Kotetsu/Barnaby is the one I have of Barnaby/Kotetsu XD Maybe I was just unlucky, but the few Barnaby/Kotetsu doujins I've seen are quite somber, with Kotetsu being tortured/raped by a totally-gone-nuts-Barnaby.

Anyways, my favorite stories are either the ones they are just starting to realize what they feel for each other, and the ones they are already a stablished couple.

[kaishiro15]

Actually, I always wondered about that. The OOCness thing. I mean, sometimes it's really obvious when a character stops being him/her-self but if you don't know much about them (usually b/c they were purposely made that way) how do you know when they are OOC?
For example, there's a lot of doujinshi where Kotetsu sometimes cries during sexual intercourse. I sometimes wonder if that was just something the artist thinks of the character or if they made it that way b/c you know, sex is not without pain. At least, the penetrative or sometimes kinky ones. I don't really know because I never engaged in any sexual intercourse. Pretty sure a lot of people who write/draw smut never actually had sex.
Also, there are some where he's flustered or embarrassed but is that normal for his character too? Some overdo it but some have a valid point that Kotetsu doesn't really see himself as someone would go for romantically b/c of his age or old-man/traditional personality.
I don't really mind most of the humiliation or violent ones much. ... Probably because I'm a bit of a sadistic which gets conflicting when I want to cuddle them instead...

Huh. Do you go on Pixiv.net or something? I usually associate those type of doujin as Yanibani/Kotetsu doujinshi. Yanibani for Yandere Barnaby and that's something my google chrome translated for me.

Heh. Maybe you were. The majority of the Barnaby/Kotetsu doujins I've encountered in the beginning were mostly Bunny acting kind of funny towards Kotetsu. As in awkward, I have absolutely no idea what to do, glasses shattered again b/c Kotetsu did something cute/hot again today, funny. I should make icons of every doujin where Kotetsu did something to make Barnaby's glasses explode randomly. :D

I don't really like bottom!Barnaby doujins much. Like you with the Barnaby/Kotetsu doujins, the first encountered I had with that type of pairing either shows him as being the definition of "uke" (just... no) or him well, (excuse my language) being a slut. I can't really find another way to describe it.
I recently had this discussion with a writer about my problem with bottom!Barnaby. It's my opinion but those type of doujin seem to like making him kinda helpless and well, pride-less and he's definitely not that. Even though I don't really like his character that much (I really didn't like how he treated Kotetsu before), I will admit that he's a determined, focused, intelligent (except for the part where he forgot to check for a pulse I guess), strong, and there's probably a lot more that I can't remember, character. If he's going to be the bottom in a consensual relationship, he's going to enjoy it as a guy, not describe as someone who almost looks like a woman cross-dressing aside (you would not believe how many fanfic/comics I've found where it feels like it just isn't Barnaby anymore).

I like those kind of stories too. There just something about them going through the steps to proper relationship, with them being awkward and confused as to what to do, and established relationships shows how easy they are with each other being allowed to be there for each other.

... Wow. I finally finished typing and yikes, this is probably making you go WTF if you found this in your inbox. Um, sorry for that but I just like reading and responding to people's opinions. -_-'

[lksugui]

That's ok, I love exchanging ideas about my favorite characters/pairings =^__^= Well, when I say OOC I'm talking about Kotetsu acting like, let's say, Kobato (that fluffy girl of Clamp XD ). So yeah, let's say what I feel for Kotetsu is the same you feel for Barnaby as in, not wanting to see him portrayed as pride-less and helpless. There's nothing wrong with Kotetsu crying - he did that during the series - but that should be for the right reasons. The few times he cried were in really, really dire situations.

Both Barnaby and Kotetsu are strong and vulnerable at the same time, and that's what makes them great as characters. (and yes, I didn't like the way Barnaby treated Kotetsu during most part of series, too.). I think by the end of the series Barnaby sees Kotetsu as a real companion, someone he can trust his life with, someone who feels like family, like home. Kotetsu on the other hand sees Barnaby as a future he never thought possible after Tomoe's death.

I tend to see Barnaby as a bottom by his own decision, because he thinks it's easier for him since he is younger and more open to experimenting than Kotetsu. I see him doing this for love, and not because he can't help it or because he's a slut. Also, I see Kotetsu accepting to bottom sometimes despite feeling uncomfortable with that (because he is kinda old-fashioned and probably only had experience with women). He would do anything to make his Bunny happy.

Erm... I think I wrote a gigantic reply too, now it's my turn to apologize ^__^;

[kaishiro15]

Kobato... I think a saw a bit of that Clamp manga once. Definitely does not resemble Kotetsu. Unless there was some major event that happened (in a fanfic/doujin of course). I used to be a big fan of Clamp. I think I almost read all their books when I was younger. I'm not as big as a fan I was back then now but I still wonder if XXXHolics is ever going to be finished (my little brother's friend thought XXX was for a porn book... He was like 11. -_-').

Hm. I like the way you word it. As uncomfortable as I am with Barnaby in the beginning, I think he's much better in the latter part of the series.

Quick note, I don't see Barnaby as a slut personally. That's just the type of doujins I have encountered the first time I when searching for T&B related stuff. I'm much more experienced now when searching for T&B stuff.

I can understand your reasoning for either topping or bottoming. Although, it makes me wonder about the question everyone else is wondering, is Barnaby a virgin? That's usually the excuse used for him to research about sex more thoroughly besides questions about the male autonomy parts of it.
Hmm... There was that potentially funny prompt where it requests for both Kotetsu and Barnaby being comfortable with each other in their relationship that after a really tiring day, they were fighting over who should be bottom because they wanted to just lay down instead of doing the work. :D

No need to apologize. I asked a lot of questions earlier about your opinion and it was very nice to read them. :)

[lksugui]

Oh my, never thought about it... O__O; I thought about Barnaby being more open to experimenting than Kotetsu given the age difference and Kotetsu's upbringing which, considering the way he behaves towards his family, seems to be a bit conservative.

There are good reasons for Barnaby being a virgin or not. On one hand, he had a life very, very far from normal ever since his parents died. Maverick raised him to be a perfect hero, so that could mean a life kept under cautious watch during his teens - nobody would accept a hero involved in scandals. So yeah, there's a good chance he was still a virgin when he met Kotetsu. On the other hand, Barnaby is clearly prone to obsess over things. The explosive mix of curiosity and a lot of hormons running wildly in adolescence could get him obsessed, and I can picture him having early sexual experiences due to this.

Two guys fighting to be the bottom? That sounds funny! XD I saw an old anime that was exactly the opposite: two guys competing to be the top until they realized they loved each other so much that it didn't matter.

[kaishiro15]

There was a small funny translated comic where since Kotetsu and Barnaby were in a relationship, Kotetsu thought Barnaby would like to have sex after a few months of just kissing. He was surprised later when Barnaby revealed that he thought since they were guys, there would be no purpose to having sex. He even gave a brief flashback to the first time he had a wet dream and lamented that his parents couldn't see him become an adult. Kotetsu is reasonably weirded out by this. >:D

Sometimes I think it's really up to what the writer believes about sex is what determines the positions of the characters. Like some make character A be the top because to A, being on top is not all about the pleasure but being allowed to give your partner pleasure and to make sure they are satisfied. Or they make character B the bottom because B believes that it will be easier on character A this way.

...This explanation might be confusing since I'm not really good with words but that's all I can come up with at the moment.

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting to ask people about this. In this community, are we allowed to post sorta prompts that are much more detailed than the anon meme ones? Like a detailed outline of a story they would like to write but is not good enough so they want to ask for someone else to write it or for more opinions?

[lksugui]

Haha, that really sounds like Barnaby XDDD I think it makes sense, considering everything that happened that Bunny would be a bit lost in some aspects of life...

I agree with you. And if the writer/artist is good, whatever he/she decides will be accepted by most of the readers. Because it all boils down to quality - I would be perfectly fine with bottom Kotetsu and you would be fine with bottom Barnaby if the fic/comic is good enough.

Personally, I enjoy relationship-centered stories a bit more than purely sex-centered ones (but that doesn't mean I don't have great fun with some really well-written PWPs once in a while XD ).

I didn't see any rule against posting prompts in the community, but if you want to ask for something very specific maybe it would be better to call it a request?