I'm here to support my boy, Trump. And I know this is a warcry to many online...and I don't really want a brawl, especially a political one *shudder* but in the interest of hearing a different perspective
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And....just to make things more complicated. We are HUMONGOUS supporters of gay marriage and pro-choice and scrutinizing police brutality. (Which we know firsthand is real and frightening and just no no no.) But we don't believe that the massive accomplishments this country has achieved in regards to some of these issues are going to be reversed. There are too many human beings who have become self-actualized for that to happen in this century.
I have thoughts about first post. But I'm going to wait to see what other people say. I *will* say though - thank you. It's actually the first time I've heard someone *articulate* the case for Trump.
I agree with parts, disagree with parts. But you knew coming in that it was going to rile people up, and you said it anyway. So good on you.
That said - I *am* going to say something about this second post.
Which is: "here are too many human beings who have become self-actualized for that to happen in this century."
I imagine that's what people in the Middle East were saying during the fundamentalist revolution. Things were way too modern, people were way too progressive...
Not saying it's a 1-to-1 comparison and I *hope* you're right. But I know that unless you are concentrated on moving forward, there's always a danger of someone pulling you back.
It is nerve-wracking to put your self out there....in a political way. But...I think it's worth stating. And YOU, G, have been very supportive about pulling the curtain back this season....
Look, here's the thing. We have to change our party AFFILIATION to vote for Trump in our state's primaries! We have had to let go of the swell of belief we had in Obama for his first term. It's been a difficult decade, no question.
And yes, I understand what you're saying here and in some countries I think you are 100% correct. But not in the melting pot that is this country. Have you seen The Brain series on PBS? He has a segment on genocide which will scare the living hell out of you...and explains why/how/when it happens. I just don't believe we have that limited profile in America in the 21st Century.
You got a problem with gold bathroom fixtures?!?! *closes bathroom door discreetly*
He definitely is a cat with personality! I've got no issue with a president who wants to bring back Camelot and instill the office with entertainment. But...I also think he's a serious guy with a dangerous intelligence who can make a difference. If anyone can, that is. That's the caveat. Have we broken the thing beyond repair?
One of the things that makes sense to me is the idea of advisors. You can have all the policies in the world, but it's not a dictatorship regardless of the fear mongering.
I remember how excited I was about Obama, and how much cross-party support he was getting.
(which all turned the moment he won the primary, and went crashing when he won the general)
I actually thought that, being an outsider to the blood feuds that had been going on - (even if he had been in the Senate, he didn't have a ton of blood on his hands compared to a Clinton) - that he would have an easier time of it.
Heck, I also believed that since *no one would want to be seen as a racist* that a lot of the actual racists would go scurrying under their rocks in a hurry.
I was completely blindsided with the declaration, before he took office, that the priority was to make sure he was a one-term President, and just how much the racists were going to dig in.
I'm doing better with Obamacare. It's the first time in my life I've been able to 1) go to the doctor when I am seriously ill and 2) get treatment without weeping about how I'm going to pay for it.
I don't like that the system forces us to still benefit profit-mongering insurance companies. I don't like that we pay higher drug prices than every other nation because senators have been bought and paid for by pharmaceuticals. But we aren't getting single payer any time soon.
And yes, the pharmaceutical situation in the country is shameful. I've had to go without certain meds because there was simply no way I could swing the $$$.
I do believe there is a difference between capitalism and greed.
So, it sounds as though you had no coverage before? That's probably the main difference. We've been paying our own premiums. Although, several friends on Medical have not been served by ObamaCare and found that their scrips became impossible to afford.
What is so funny to me is that when Dole proposed the same legislation in '96, Democrats hated it and Republicans loved it.
Fast forward to when McCain proposed to "mandate" (to make people pay fines for not having it) in 2000 - Republicans loved it. Democrats hated it. It was called "taking personal responsibility".
Obama flips the script on it and takes those things into his own plan - (reminding me of all the things Bill Clinton did in his second term - basically daring Republicans to vote against their own ideas) and it completely flips who loves it and who hates it!
I don't think there are too many Americans who don't support some form of universal health care. It's a human right and that is absolutely undeniable. Good health is the ONLY thing that makes life livable. There are adages and fables and metaphors....about this. To deny healthcare to another is a moral crime and sin.
I can't figure out why we have gone so wrong with healthcare. And it's far bigger than just health insurance. It's multi-faceted and stretches all the way from womb to tomb. I believe that the pharmaceuticals have a crooked capitalism but...there's also something going on with physicians that is morally concerning and the hospital business.
I know of a couple of people on my f-list that are definitely better off with ObamaCare.
One has long-term disabilities, and the other has recurrent medical emergencies. They have been slowly going bankrupt because they were unable to get insurance, and that combination of medical bills plus having to miss work was just killing them. Sweet, optimistic, hard-working people. It has been hell to watch what they've gone through.
It's a little better for them now, and I'm really grateful for that.
I think that in the ObamaCare Yes/No, Republicans put themselves in a position where they refused to improve the plan-- they just wanted to kill it. They did not succeed. But as a result, this is not the best solution we might have had. :(
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I agree with parts, disagree with parts. But you knew coming in that it was going to rile people up, and you said it anyway. So good on you.
That said - I *am* going to say something about this second post.
Which is: "here are too many human beings who have become self-actualized for that to happen in this century."
I imagine that's what people in the Middle East were saying during the fundamentalist revolution. Things were way too modern, people were way too progressive...
Not saying it's a 1-to-1 comparison and I *hope* you're right. But I know that unless you are concentrated on moving forward, there's always a danger of someone pulling you back.
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Look, here's the thing. We have to change our party AFFILIATION to vote for Trump in our state's primaries! We have had to let go of the swell of belief we had in Obama for his first term. It's been a difficult decade, no question.
And yes, I understand what you're saying here and in some countries I think you are 100% correct. But not in the melting pot that is this country. Have you seen The Brain series on PBS? He has a segment on genocide which will scare the living hell out of you...and explains why/how/when it happens. I just don't believe we have that limited profile in America in the 21st Century.
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I'll have to check it out.
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He definitely is a cat with personality! I've got no issue with a president who wants to bring back Camelot and instill the office with entertainment. But...I also think he's a serious guy with a dangerous intelligence who can make a difference. If anyone can, that is. That's the caveat. Have we broken the thing beyond repair?
One of the things that makes sense to me is the idea of advisors. You can have all the policies in the world, but it's not a dictatorship regardless of the fear mongering.
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(which all turned the moment he won the primary, and went crashing when he won the general)
I actually thought that, being an outsider to the blood feuds that had been going on - (even if he had been in the Senate, he didn't have a ton of blood on his hands compared to a Clinton) - that he would have an easier time of it.
Heck, I also believed that since *no one would want to be seen as a racist* that a lot of the actual racists would go scurrying under their rocks in a hurry.
I was completely blindsided with the declaration, before he took office, that the priority was to make sure he was a one-term President, and just how much the racists were going to dig in.
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I don't like that the system forces us to still benefit profit-mongering insurance companies. I don't like that we pay higher drug prices than every other nation because senators have been bought and paid for by pharmaceuticals. But we aren't getting single payer any time soon.
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And yes, the pharmaceutical situation in the country is shameful. I've had to go without certain meds because there was simply no way I could swing the $$$.
I do believe there is a difference between capitalism and greed.
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Now I'm getting the treatment I need, and am working on getting back into the workforce.
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So, it sounds as though you had no coverage before? That's probably the main difference. We've been paying our own premiums. Although, several friends on Medical have not been served by ObamaCare and found that their scrips became impossible to afford.
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Democrats hated it and Republicans loved it.
Fast forward to when McCain proposed to "mandate" (to make people pay fines for not having it) in 2000 - Republicans loved it. Democrats hated it. It was called "taking personal responsibility".
Obama flips the script on it and takes those things into his own plan - (reminding me of all the things Bill Clinton did in his second term - basically daring Republicans to vote against their own ideas) and it completely flips who loves it and who hates it!
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I don't think there are too many Americans who don't support some form of universal health care. It's a human right and that is absolutely undeniable. Good health is the ONLY thing that makes life livable. There are adages and fables and metaphors....about this. To deny healthcare to another is a moral crime and sin.
I can't figure out why we have gone so wrong with healthcare. And it's far bigger than just health insurance. It's multi-faceted and stretches all the way from womb to tomb. I believe that the pharmaceuticals have a crooked capitalism but...there's also something going on with physicians that is morally concerning and the hospital business.
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One has long-term disabilities, and the other has recurrent medical emergencies. They have been slowly going bankrupt because they were unable to get insurance, and that combination of medical bills plus having to miss work was just killing them. Sweet, optimistic, hard-working people. It has been hell to watch what they've gone through.
It's a little better for them now, and I'm really grateful for that.
I think that in the ObamaCare Yes/No, Republicans put themselves in a position where they refused to improve the plan-- they just wanted to kill it. They did not succeed. But as a result, this is not the best solution we might have had. :(
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