sonia kicks ass
sonia and i have started a debate about fall out boy. in general, i think that at least a few of the songs on from inder the cork tree are
about homosexual relationships.
not ALL of their music is necessarily, but i there is evidence that at
least some of it is. she started the written debate, which is
posted
below. my arguments for my hypothesis are posted below hers in a
different color. you read the arguments, you be the judge.
Hey nat,
so.. after our rather feirce debate over this damn song i decided to do some detective work and analyze the whole effing thing in order to figure out once and for all what the hell it means! Sorry doll.. i'm still arguing that it's a perfectly straight man's anthem.. lol call me compulsive, call me stubborn.. i think i just really need more stuff to fill out my days lol... so read it sucka! and let me know what you think afterwards :)
<3 sonia
Sugar We're Going Down --- DECODED BITCHES!
Am i more than you bargained for yet?
i've been dying to tell you anything
you wanna hear.
cuz that's just who i am this week.
lie in the grass, next to the mausoleum
i'm just a notch on your bedpost,
but youre just a line in a song.
MEANING:
This guy is singing about this girl that he had a one-night stand with. He's asking if he's "more than she bargained for yet" because he wants more than just sex out of this chick. He's been "dying to tell her anything she wants to hear" because he wants so badly to to be what she wants and needs in a guy. He says "Cuz that's just who I am this week" to note that he wants to be this person for her so much that he is willing to change himself for her on a regular basis. He's obviously "just a notch on this hoe's bedpost" though because she's not buying his act, nor does she want anything else from him after their one steamy night. You can sense the little bit of animosity he must have towards the girl as of a result of this, plus he may not want to seem desperate after being rejected, which is why he says she's "just a line in a song".
MEANING:
our author is struggling with his own inability to admit to himself and others that he is bi/homosexual. he had an encounter with another guy, who was never expecting it to be anythign out of the ordinary, or maybe who thought this guy was finally ready to admit to himself that he was into guys. author is going through denial.doubt and is insecure not only in his sexuality, but he is insecure in his friendship/relationship with this other guy, who he may actually have some real feelings for. he's throwing hiself a pity party, asking "am i more than you bargained for yet," knowing that it was probably a bad decision in the first place to get physical with someone when he probably kind of knew he wasn't ready for what was going to be expected of him afterward. he's "more" than expected because this other guy is hurt.pissed that it has to be drama, cause he didn't know what he was in for. author has been "dying to tell him anyhting" he wants to hear, meaning that all he wants to do is admit his feelings, be out in the open about everything, but he fluctuates on that decision because he's scared (...maybe weekly?!). the bedpost/song refers to the fact that they're both kinda angry, both kinda hurt...but he's not being mean, he's lamenting and feeling like fuck it, then that's all we are to each other. this is too hard. he;s minimizing the feelings/relationship even though he knows there may be more substance there, because it's a suck situation.
Drop a heart, break a name.
we're always sleeping in,
and sleeping for the wrong team.
MEANING:
Instead of breaking a(his) heart by dropping a name (perhaps the name of the guy he sees her with later) he reverses the words to create a whole new meaning. When he says "drop a heart, break a name" he is showing how she dropped his heart on the floor when she didn't want more from him but the sex, thus breaking a name, or a label even- the label of a "couple" or "being together". They are ovbiously "always sleeping for the wrong team" because they are being hookers and sleeping with other people when he believes they should be devoted to eachother.
MEANING:
here he reverses the typical dropping/breaking cliches to illustratee his feelings about how backwards and circular the situation is. it's no one's fault that he's scared except his own, and this guy wants him, but he can't come to terms with it himself. drop a heart is not as important as the second part; "break a name" makes reference to him not being able to break out of his sexual identity/title. he's not willing to break the lable he's had on himself because he's scared to be "named" a homosexual. but breaking the name is all it would take to be with this guy the way he wants to. "always sleeping for the wrong team" is a direct play on the saying "playing for the other team" used to describe gay guys. he's still sleeping with girls- the "wrong team" - still denying himself and his true desires.
We're going down, down in an earlier round
and sugar were going down swingin'
i'll be your number one with a bullet
a loaded gun complex, cock it and pull it.
MEANING
They're "going down in an earlier round" because he was under the impression that it would go so much further than them just sleeping together. Regardless of this, they're "going down swingin'" because he's not willing to let go of the thought of him and her together without a fight. He knows in the back of his head that no matter what he's probably gonna get burned by this chick which is why he is her "number one with a bullet." He knows that he's marked for a world of despair with this girl. He's telling her just to "cock it and pull it" in order to just kill him and get it over with because he feels like he's dying without her anyway. (awww... how incredibly emo...)
MEANING:
i think of this part as a play on words- he's playing the oral sex euphamism "going down" against another use for the same phrase, a euphamism for the failing relationship. "going down in an earlier round" refers to the fact that he realizes they probably had oral sex too soon, or maybe that they shouldn't have at all. they made things infinitely more complicated because it was premature. "sugar we're goin down swingin," however, is much deeper- he;s making reference to the fact that it seems the relationship is doomed- he's feeling sorry for himself, his own stupidity/denial/generelly fucked-up-ness knowing he's letting a good thing slip away- despite the fact that they're both willing, on some level, to fight for it. he feels defeated and sorry for himself, cause he realizes what his fear of coming out is costing him.
Is this more than you bargained for yet?
Oh don't mind me im watching
you two from the closet.
wishing to be the friction in his jeans.
Isn't it messed up how im just dying to be him?
i'm just a notch in your bedpost,
but you're just a line in a song.
MEANING:
This is the tricky one... once again he emphasizes how they've ended up with way more than they bargained for when they decided to be eachothers booty call. Then when he says he's "watching you two from the closet" it shows how he's imagining her being with another guy in her room (which is probably where they got down and dirty also..) He probably said he was in the closet because in his mind he is spying on her, the closet is where someone whould most likely hide if they were spying on someone in their bedroom. He's "wishing to be the friction in his jeans" because he sees things heating up between the two of them and i think it means that he just wishes that he was with her right then and there and that he could be the one aroused with her, thus giving him friction in his jeans (wink, wink.. haha). He then says "it's messed up how he's just dying to be him" because he is just seeing her with another guy in this bad dream that he is having and it's killing him inside. He might also say it's messed up for him to feel the way he does about this girl because he hardly knows her. He might feel rediculous because of this, but he can't help his feeling for this girl. He just seriously/badly/amazingly/crazily/really wants her to be exclusive from everyone else but him. Then after all this he comes back to reality and realizes that he's nothing more but a "notch on her bed post" and that he probably never will be. (aww.. crycrycry)
MEANING:
this is the stanza that solidifies it for me. the closet here is figurative: he's still in THE CLOSET, watching this awesome guy that je really likes date other dudes and he can't stake any claim on him. he's too scared to step up and admit to himself/everyone that he's gay/bi. he's helpless against himself and he's stuck watching, wishing so much that he was the guy that this dide was gettin' with. because he won't admit to his own desires, though, their relationship is forced to remain a torrid tryst versus a legitimate relationship.
Bottom line: two guys, one openly gay and the other not, hooked up (drunk? maybe.) and fooled around. both of them wanted it to be more...maybe liked each other for a long time...but the openly gay guy is dealing with the fact that the other (the song's author) can't come to terms with his sexual identity.
Hey nat,
so.. after our rather feirce debate over this damn song i decided to do some detective work and analyze the whole effing thing in order to figure out once and for all what the hell it means! Sorry doll.. i'm still arguing that it's a perfectly straight man's anthem.. lol call me compulsive, call me stubborn.. i think i just really need more stuff to fill out my days lol... so read it sucka! and let me know what you think afterwards :)
<3 sonia
Sugar We're Going Down --- DECODED BITCHES!
Am i more than you bargained for yet?
i've been dying to tell you anything
you wanna hear.
cuz that's just who i am this week.
lie in the grass, next to the mausoleum
i'm just a notch on your bedpost,
but youre just a line in a song.
MEANING:
This guy is singing about this girl that he had a one-night stand with. He's asking if he's "more than she bargained for yet" because he wants more than just sex out of this chick. He's been "dying to tell her anything she wants to hear" because he wants so badly to to be what she wants and needs in a guy. He says "Cuz that's just who I am this week" to note that he wants to be this person for her so much that he is willing to change himself for her on a regular basis. He's obviously "just a notch on this hoe's bedpost" though because she's not buying his act, nor does she want anything else from him after their one steamy night. You can sense the little bit of animosity he must have towards the girl as of a result of this, plus he may not want to seem desperate after being rejected, which is why he says she's "just a line in a song".
MEANING:
our author is struggling with his own inability to admit to himself and others that he is bi/homosexual. he had an encounter with another guy, who was never expecting it to be anythign out of the ordinary, or maybe who thought this guy was finally ready to admit to himself that he was into guys. author is going through denial.doubt and is insecure not only in his sexuality, but he is insecure in his friendship/relationship with this other guy, who he may actually have some real feelings for. he's throwing hiself a pity party, asking "am i more than you bargained for yet," knowing that it was probably a bad decision in the first place to get physical with someone when he probably kind of knew he wasn't ready for what was going to be expected of him afterward. he's "more" than expected because this other guy is hurt.pissed that it has to be drama, cause he didn't know what he was in for. author has been "dying to tell him anyhting" he wants to hear, meaning that all he wants to do is admit his feelings, be out in the open about everything, but he fluctuates on that decision because he's scared (...maybe weekly?!). the bedpost/song refers to the fact that they're both kinda angry, both kinda hurt...but he's not being mean, he's lamenting and feeling like fuck it, then that's all we are to each other. this is too hard. he;s minimizing the feelings/relationship even though he knows there may be more substance there, because it's a suck situation.
Drop a heart, break a name.
we're always sleeping in,
and sleeping for the wrong team.
MEANING:
Instead of breaking a(his) heart by dropping a name (perhaps the name of the guy he sees her with later) he reverses the words to create a whole new meaning. When he says "drop a heart, break a name" he is showing how she dropped his heart on the floor when she didn't want more from him but the sex, thus breaking a name, or a label even- the label of a "couple" or "being together". They are ovbiously "always sleeping for the wrong team" because they are being hookers and sleeping with other people when he believes they should be devoted to eachother.
MEANING:
here he reverses the typical dropping/breaking cliches to illustratee his feelings about how backwards and circular the situation is. it's no one's fault that he's scared except his own, and this guy wants him, but he can't come to terms with it himself. drop a heart is not as important as the second part; "break a name" makes reference to him not being able to break out of his sexual identity/title. he's not willing to break the lable he's had on himself because he's scared to be "named" a homosexual. but breaking the name is all it would take to be with this guy the way he wants to. "always sleeping for the wrong team" is a direct play on the saying "playing for the other team" used to describe gay guys. he's still sleeping with girls- the "wrong team" - still denying himself and his true desires.
We're going down, down in an earlier round
and sugar were going down swingin'
i'll be your number one with a bullet
a loaded gun complex, cock it and pull it.
MEANING
They're "going down in an earlier round" because he was under the impression that it would go so much further than them just sleeping together. Regardless of this, they're "going down swingin'" because he's not willing to let go of the thought of him and her together without a fight. He knows in the back of his head that no matter what he's probably gonna get burned by this chick which is why he is her "number one with a bullet." He knows that he's marked for a world of despair with this girl. He's telling her just to "cock it and pull it" in order to just kill him and get it over with because he feels like he's dying without her anyway. (awww... how incredibly emo...)
MEANING:
i think of this part as a play on words- he's playing the oral sex euphamism "going down" against another use for the same phrase, a euphamism for the failing relationship. "going down in an earlier round" refers to the fact that he realizes they probably had oral sex too soon, or maybe that they shouldn't have at all. they made things infinitely more complicated because it was premature. "sugar we're goin down swingin," however, is much deeper- he;s making reference to the fact that it seems the relationship is doomed- he's feeling sorry for himself, his own stupidity/denial/generelly fucked-up-ness knowing he's letting a good thing slip away- despite the fact that they're both willing, on some level, to fight for it. he feels defeated and sorry for himself, cause he realizes what his fear of coming out is costing him.
Is this more than you bargained for yet?
Oh don't mind me im watching
you two from the closet.
wishing to be the friction in his jeans.
Isn't it messed up how im just dying to be him?
i'm just a notch in your bedpost,
but you're just a line in a song.
MEANING:
This is the tricky one... once again he emphasizes how they've ended up with way more than they bargained for when they decided to be eachothers booty call. Then when he says he's "watching you two from the closet" it shows how he's imagining her being with another guy in her room (which is probably where they got down and dirty also..) He probably said he was in the closet because in his mind he is spying on her, the closet is where someone whould most likely hide if they were spying on someone in their bedroom. He's "wishing to be the friction in his jeans" because he sees things heating up between the two of them and i think it means that he just wishes that he was with her right then and there and that he could be the one aroused with her, thus giving him friction in his jeans (wink, wink.. haha). He then says "it's messed up how he's just dying to be him" because he is just seeing her with another guy in this bad dream that he is having and it's killing him inside. He might also say it's messed up for him to feel the way he does about this girl because he hardly knows her. He might feel rediculous because of this, but he can't help his feeling for this girl. He just seriously/badly/amazingly/crazily/really wants her to be exclusive from everyone else but him. Then after all this he comes back to reality and realizes that he's nothing more but a "notch on her bed post" and that he probably never will be. (aww.. crycrycry)
MEANING:
this is the stanza that solidifies it for me. the closet here is figurative: he's still in THE CLOSET, watching this awesome guy that je really likes date other dudes and he can't stake any claim on him. he's too scared to step up and admit to himself/everyone that he's gay/bi. he's helpless against himself and he's stuck watching, wishing so much that he was the guy that this dide was gettin' with. because he won't admit to his own desires, though, their relationship is forced to remain a torrid tryst versus a legitimate relationship.
Bottom line: two guys, one openly gay and the other not, hooked up (drunk? maybe.) and fooled around. both of them wanted it to be more...maybe liked each other for a long time...but the openly gay guy is dealing with the fact that the other (the song's author) can't come to terms with his sexual identity.