stolen.
the following is stolen from dylan, i rea the same original post and had a similar reaction i just wasnt able to find the words to express it.
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read this bulletin. I'm not this hippie fucker who thinks "war is wrong"... I'm this asshole who thinks we should think things through before we just run head long into shit. But no... these bulletin compares the Iraq war to the fucking genocide that was World War II... please. That is just wrong... that is like spitting in the face of so many veterans.
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----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: Jackie
Date: Jan 3, 2008 12:07 PM
You Ain't Gonna Like Losing
President Bush did make a bad mistake in the war on terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to war in Iraq . Bush's mistake came in his belief that this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII. It is not. Back then, they had just come out of a vicious depression. The country was steeled by the hardship of that depression, but they still believed fervently in this country. They knew that the people had elected theirleaders, so it was the people's duty to back those leaders. Therefore, when the war broke out the people came together, rallied behind, and stuck with their leaders, whether they had voted for them or not or whether the war was going badly or not. And war was just as distasteful and the anguish just as great then as it is today. Often there were more casualties in one day in WWII than we have had in the entire Iraq war. But that did not matter. The people stuck with the President because it was their patriotic duty. Americans put aside their differences in WWII and worked together to win that war. Everyone from every strata of society, from young to old pitched in. Small children pulled little wagons around to gather scrap metal for the war effort. Grade school students saved their pennies to buy stamps for war bonds to help the effort. Men who were too old or medically 4F lied about their age or condition trying their best to join the military. Women doubled their work to keep things going at home. Harsh rationing of everything from gasoline to soap, to butter was imposed, yet there was very little complaining. You never heard prominent people on the radio belittling the President. Interestingly enough in those days there were no fat cat actors and entertainers who ran off to visit and fawn over dictators of hostile countries and complain to them about our President. Instead, they made upbeat films and entertained our troops to help the troops' morale. And a bunch even enlisted. And imagine this: Teachers in schools actually started the day off with a Pledge of Allegiance, and with prayers for our country and our troops! Back then, no newspaper would have dared point out certain weak spots in our cities where bombs could be set off to cause the maximum damage. No newspaper would have dared complain about what we were doing to catch spies. A newspaper would have been laughed out of existence if it had complained that German or Japanese soldiers were being "tortured" by being forced to wear women's underwear, or subjected to interrogation by a woman, or being scared by a dog or did not have air conditioning. There were a lot of things different back then. We were not subjected to a constant bombardment of pornography, perversion and promiscuity in movies or on radio. We did not have legions of crackheads, dope pushers and armed gangs roaming our streets. No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He believed that this was still the country that our fathers fought so dearly to preserve. It is not the same country. It is now a cross between Sodom and Gomorra and the land of Oz. We did unite for a short while after 911, but our attitude changed when we found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices. We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty, to kill anyone who will not convert to Islam. It has been estimated that about one third or over three hundred million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists cause...Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many potential recruits. So...we either win it - or lose it - and you ain't gonna like losing. America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall.
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In the late thirties there was one big difference then there is today.
Germany was being led by a man who felt no remorse for killing everything in his way for taking over the world. He had already conquered much of Europe, including a good deal of our allies. On top of that, the U.K. another big ally of ours was getting bombed on a daily basis. Tens of hundreds of thousands of people were passing every day.
Then move to the other side of the world, where another country came up with the idea that while all this mess is going on in the west, they could fly their happy asses over to our land and bomb the shit out of our back door while we are piling up guards at our front door.
It was called a "World War" for a reason. The entire WORLD was part of it, and was only moments away from being taken over by an evil dictator that had no qualms with these people, no attacks or disagreement between them. Germany and Japan just decided to... well... take over.
We the Americans (only JUST coming out of the depression with VERY little money in our pockets) didn't step in, until it was at our door step. We didn't go parading in before everything even started and hacking and slashing through bodies. No we waited, we waited like little pussy's because we knew this was going to be one HELL of a sacrifice.
WWII started in 1939, America didn't join in until 1942... 3 years later. Long after Poland was dominated, long after France threw up their arms and South France sided with the German regime. Long after Britain was on fire and throwing their young adolescents into the war. Long after Romania had been ignored by Russia and left to rot. Long after a death toll in Europe climbing well into the hundreds of thousands.
How patriotic and caring we were...
NOW... fast forward through several more wars (Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, etc.). Each war we rushed into faster and faster. Each war we were closer and closer to the beginning of it. All the way up to Vietnam where it wasn't even our fucking war... or Desert Storm where we just ran head long in for no real BIG reason. No it was a "Police Action"... who the fuck are we to POLICE several other countries who don't have the power to kill themselves yet.
Now we get to the late 70's and early 80's (just before the Gulf). What are we doing? We are in the middle east, just like we have been since 1812 and even earlier (ambiguous date)... we are over there "policing them", telling them what they can and can't do. Barading them with Christian beliefs telling them they should stop having holy wars because Christ is the smart guy and he knows best. Oh and hey, we are going to fund all these different terrorist groups to create small wars all over the place to force people to move. We free up what is Israel and give it to the Jews. Russia liquidates a ton of their war machines to other factions to further fuel this war. Thusly creating such chaos to allow capitalist reign in the region. Corporations around the world run in and conquer their own pieces of land and industrialize holy plots of land to build giant buildings of debauchery (the real sodom and gomora) to fuel the rest of the world with their sinful desires.
All in the name of Christian Earth... and the all mighty dollar.
We go as far as taking down several nations and placing people like Bin Laden AND Saddam in charge. Yes... WE, BUSH, put Saddam in charge. WE... BUSH... THE CIA... funded Bin Laden. We gave Bin Laden money so he could turn and buy war machines off of Russia... and we knew it. We wanted him too... we hoped he would use them to terrorize his own land so we could get more power.
We were the terrorists... working in such HORRIBLE manners... we were deceitful and crude with our methods. Atleast these guys have the decency enough to send us videotapes telling us WHAT they plan to do to us sometimes. And shit, atleast they will admit WHY they have beef with us. We did it for fun.
Have you ever listened to them? Have you ever listened to their reason WHY they hate us.
We are the scorge of the Earth. We are the children of the devil. We are then men and women who have came to THEIR holy land and burnt it to the ground. We are the ones who walked THEIR streets and killed THEIR children. We are the ones who poured blood money into the hands of fanatics. WE are the ones who stole their economy. We are the ones who have sinned.
That's what they say. We killed, murdered, raped, pillaged, destroyed, burned, and more to these people. We upset territories, forced people out of their homeland... a place their family has lived for the last 2 thousand years and even longer! Imagine that... told you have to leave your home of several millenias, because the US and their Allies want to give this land to your enemy.
That's like the U.K. coming here in 1956 and saying, "sorry Americans, but due to some issues here in Europe, we need to take New England, New York, and much of Eastern USA and give to the Russians".
Their just pushing back.
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I can stand behind World War II. Germany was trying to take over the world. The middle east is trying to say, "back the fuck off... you've hurt us enough, now it's time for us to do something about it".
And what do we say? "Screw that... lets go kick the shit out of them some more... this horse ain't dead yet!"
Welcome to 12th century warfare... battle of the holy grails. Instead of the Pope though... we've got this wanna be man of christ declaring religious war on a group of people so hard set in their traditions and religion that it makes our evangelists look like part time soup kitchen aids.
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(me again) now there are alot of issues that thisdoesnt address but i do agree with what this says.
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read this bulletin. I'm not this hippie fucker who thinks "war is wrong"... I'm this asshole who thinks we should think things through before we just run head long into shit. But no... these bulletin compares the Iraq war to the fucking genocide that was World War II... please. That is just wrong... that is like spitting in the face of so many veterans.
QUOTE
----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: Jackie
Date: Jan 3, 2008 12:07 PM
You Ain't Gonna Like Losing
President Bush did make a bad mistake in the war on terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to war in Iraq . Bush's mistake came in his belief that this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII. It is not. Back then, they had just come out of a vicious depression. The country was steeled by the hardship of that depression, but they still believed fervently in this country. They knew that the people had elected theirleaders, so it was the people's duty to back those leaders. Therefore, when the war broke out the people came together, rallied behind, and stuck with their leaders, whether they had voted for them or not or whether the war was going badly or not. And war was just as distasteful and the anguish just as great then as it is today. Often there were more casualties in one day in WWII than we have had in the entire Iraq war. But that did not matter. The people stuck with the President because it was their patriotic duty. Americans put aside their differences in WWII and worked together to win that war. Everyone from every strata of society, from young to old pitched in. Small children pulled little wagons around to gather scrap metal for the war effort. Grade school students saved their pennies to buy stamps for war bonds to help the effort. Men who were too old or medically 4F lied about their age or condition trying their best to join the military. Women doubled their work to keep things going at home. Harsh rationing of everything from gasoline to soap, to butter was imposed, yet there was very little complaining. You never heard prominent people on the radio belittling the President. Interestingly enough in those days there were no fat cat actors and entertainers who ran off to visit and fawn over dictators of hostile countries and complain to them about our President. Instead, they made upbeat films and entertained our troops to help the troops' morale. And a bunch even enlisted. And imagine this: Teachers in schools actually started the day off with a Pledge of Allegiance, and with prayers for our country and our troops! Back then, no newspaper would have dared point out certain weak spots in our cities where bombs could be set off to cause the maximum damage. No newspaper would have dared complain about what we were doing to catch spies. A newspaper would have been laughed out of existence if it had complained that German or Japanese soldiers were being "tortured" by being forced to wear women's underwear, or subjected to interrogation by a woman, or being scared by a dog or did not have air conditioning. There were a lot of things different back then. We were not subjected to a constant bombardment of pornography, perversion and promiscuity in movies or on radio. We did not have legions of crackheads, dope pushers and armed gangs roaming our streets. No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He believed that this was still the country that our fathers fought so dearly to preserve. It is not the same country. It is now a cross between Sodom and Gomorra and the land of Oz. We did unite for a short while after 911, but our attitude changed when we found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices. We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty, to kill anyone who will not convert to Islam. It has been estimated that about one third or over three hundred million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists cause...Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many potential recruits. So...we either win it - or lose it - and you ain't gonna like losing. America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall.
END QUOTE
___________________________________________________________________
In the late thirties there was one big difference then there is today.
Germany was being led by a man who felt no remorse for killing everything in his way for taking over the world. He had already conquered much of Europe, including a good deal of our allies. On top of that, the U.K. another big ally of ours was getting bombed on a daily basis. Tens of hundreds of thousands of people were passing every day.
Then move to the other side of the world, where another country came up with the idea that while all this mess is going on in the west, they could fly their happy asses over to our land and bomb the shit out of our back door while we are piling up guards at our front door.
It was called a "World War" for a reason. The entire WORLD was part of it, and was only moments away from being taken over by an evil dictator that had no qualms with these people, no attacks or disagreement between them. Germany and Japan just decided to... well... take over.
We the Americans (only JUST coming out of the depression with VERY little money in our pockets) didn't step in, until it was at our door step. We didn't go parading in before everything even started and hacking and slashing through bodies. No we waited, we waited like little pussy's because we knew this was going to be one HELL of a sacrifice.
WWII started in 1939, America didn't join in until 1942... 3 years later. Long after Poland was dominated, long after France threw up their arms and South France sided with the German regime. Long after Britain was on fire and throwing their young adolescents into the war. Long after Romania had been ignored by Russia and left to rot. Long after a death toll in Europe climbing well into the hundreds of thousands.
How patriotic and caring we were...
NOW... fast forward through several more wars (Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, etc.). Each war we rushed into faster and faster. Each war we were closer and closer to the beginning of it. All the way up to Vietnam where it wasn't even our fucking war... or Desert Storm where we just ran head long in for no real BIG reason. No it was a "Police Action"... who the fuck are we to POLICE several other countries who don't have the power to kill themselves yet.
Now we get to the late 70's and early 80's (just before the Gulf). What are we doing? We are in the middle east, just like we have been since 1812 and even earlier (ambiguous date)... we are over there "policing them", telling them what they can and can't do. Barading them with Christian beliefs telling them they should stop having holy wars because Christ is the smart guy and he knows best. Oh and hey, we are going to fund all these different terrorist groups to create small wars all over the place to force people to move. We free up what is Israel and give it to the Jews. Russia liquidates a ton of their war machines to other factions to further fuel this war. Thusly creating such chaos to allow capitalist reign in the region. Corporations around the world run in and conquer their own pieces of land and industrialize holy plots of land to build giant buildings of debauchery (the real sodom and gomora) to fuel the rest of the world with their sinful desires.
All in the name of Christian Earth... and the all mighty dollar.
We go as far as taking down several nations and placing people like Bin Laden AND Saddam in charge. Yes... WE, BUSH, put Saddam in charge. WE... BUSH... THE CIA... funded Bin Laden. We gave Bin Laden money so he could turn and buy war machines off of Russia... and we knew it. We wanted him too... we hoped he would use them to terrorize his own land so we could get more power.
We were the terrorists... working in such HORRIBLE manners... we were deceitful and crude with our methods. Atleast these guys have the decency enough to send us videotapes telling us WHAT they plan to do to us sometimes. And shit, atleast they will admit WHY they have beef with us. We did it for fun.
Have you ever listened to them? Have you ever listened to their reason WHY they hate us.
We are the scorge of the Earth. We are the children of the devil. We are then men and women who have came to THEIR holy land and burnt it to the ground. We are the ones who walked THEIR streets and killed THEIR children. We are the ones who poured blood money into the hands of fanatics. WE are the ones who stole their economy. We are the ones who have sinned.
That's what they say. We killed, murdered, raped, pillaged, destroyed, burned, and more to these people. We upset territories, forced people out of their homeland... a place their family has lived for the last 2 thousand years and even longer! Imagine that... told you have to leave your home of several millenias, because the US and their Allies want to give this land to your enemy.
That's like the U.K. coming here in 1956 and saying, "sorry Americans, but due to some issues here in Europe, we need to take New England, New York, and much of Eastern USA and give to the Russians".
Their just pushing back.
...
I can stand behind World War II. Germany was trying to take over the world. The middle east is trying to say, "back the fuck off... you've hurt us enough, now it's time for us to do something about it".
And what do we say? "Screw that... lets go kick the shit out of them some more... this horse ain't dead yet!"
Welcome to 12th century warfare... battle of the holy grails. Instead of the Pope though... we've got this wanna be man of christ declaring religious war on a group of people so hard set in their traditions and religion that it makes our evangelists look like part time soup kitchen aids.
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(me again) now there are alot of issues that thisdoesnt address but i do agree with what this says.