Chapter Nineteen
The Lion and the Serpent
Useless Fact: This is the chapter I read first when I got my copy, purely on the basis of the title.
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Useless Fact: This is the chapter I read first when I got my copy, purely on the basis of the title.
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If readers are so willing to adapt the views on women presented in the books, because it matches their own ideas, ( ... )
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I wonder if Hermione would really care enough about Draco not getting the Dark Mark though. Because I'm sure Harry wouldn't. ;-)It's hard to buy Harry caring about much beyond Harry, really. I guess that's what fic is for ( ... )
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Yeah, you have a point.
And thank you for that link!:D I now wonder if it was Elkins who wrote the entry that first made me even consider the ship. Anyway, I don't think it's unlikely at all, that Draco is strategically placed against both Ron and Hermione, I mean. He mirrors everyone in the trio, but I think subsequent books may very well make him a more obvious antagonist to Ron and Hermione than to Harry.
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Has ship_manifesto now done one yet, either?
I think one of the first stories I read was D/Hr. Um, it was by Jenny-O, if you've read it?
I've no idea if it was a 'good' representation of it or not, but I remember liking it well enough. (isn't it odd how that varies? Like, you can like a fic, but think it's shit as far as your own idea of that ship goes; or vice versa?)
http://jennyo.imjustsayin.net/archive/other/undone.html (there's two others in the series)
I didn't mean that part was unlikely.
I don't have the opinion of Hermione as being such a bleeding heart, though.
Mind you, as I said, this was pre- sneak hex and centaur plan.
Still, even elkins wavers on Hermione and her compassion.
http://elkins.theennead.com/hp/archives/000015.html#top
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Heh, my sister loathes HP. She's a fandom dream - she can't tell the difference between Tom/Dan and H/D. But she's also very fair, since she hates every character equally. (Except, bizarrely, Tom the Innkeeper and the Sorting Hat, whom she reserves all her fondness for.)
That's a great point, about Hermione.
It's odd, she wavers from being the emotional one, sobbing and vowing to help the disadvantaged and decrying intelligence compared to friendship; to being portrayed as the brains and logic to Harry and Ron's hearts.
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"No one asked your opinion, you filthy little Mudblood!"
When I first read the books, I didn't dismiss the possibility until that moment (even though I would never have considered that, or indeed any other ship thn R/Hr, if my sister hadn't brought it up), because they were both secondary characters (H/Hr seemed unlikely for balance reasons), and while they hadn't intereacted at all, they didn't seem to have any real resentment between them, like H/D or R/D had. But that moment was a turning point.
But when I read that, keeping those teen-boys-observations in mind, it struck me that this is really the moment where he starts to hate her. He's never insulted her before, and even though he brings her up in the B&B-scene (indicating that he has, at least, noticed, and learned her full name as well, which is more than Harry has managed to do with girls in other houses even after five years!:D), he doesn't do that in a particulary insulting way. He seems to be jealous of her for beating him in every subject, buit he ( ... )
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I'm one of those terrible people ;) who came after reading fic and watching the movies.
Or rather, I read the books, vaguely liked Harry and Draco separately (and Ron, sometimes) thought they were ok mysteries and dumped them.
Then I watched the movies, and vaguely liked Harry and Draco separately (and Ron, sometimes. Although actually, I find it easier to have affection for the movie incarnations. They're all nicer than the book versions, plus it's harder to dislike an actual face ( ... )
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Yeah, it' totally easier, I'll pick movie!Ginny over book!Ginny any time of the week. Maybe because in the movies I can actually see she's a real person, something the books has never managed to convince me of.;-) I'm not sure all characters are more likeable, though. The good guys come off more as bullies, I think, and that has been constant through all the books. Like for instance, the Dursley bits are so shortened, so we don't know of all thee nasty stuff they pull on Harry, making them supposedly "deserve" all the shit they get. Especially Dudley. The narrative tells us about how he's hunting down Harry and bullying him with his friends in the books, but in the movie, he just seems like any brother, who might tease his sibling once in a while, but really just wants to play them him, and then this big man comes from nowhere and gives him a pigtail, saying that he's ( ... )
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I see that, totally - the punching scene, for instance, I've ranted enough on, but to me, that makes Hermione look worse than she did in the book - she reacts more to less insults!
Which probably wasn't the intention...
And yeah, the whole 'Cousin, we're going to the zoo!' bit, for example, comes off as quite sweet.
And the whole pigs tail bit as 'You're fat. Hahaha.' (Mind you, so does tons of the books!)
But while inadvertently making the good guys bigger bullies, they've actually made the Dursleys look nicer.
I do think everyone in general is fairly whitewashed (although Snape and Draco occasionally come off as worse) especially the Trio.
I wonder how they're going to film OotP, or even the train/ferret bits of GoF, without making some hefty changes.
I don't suppose she liked how he set Harry and Ron up for the Midnight Duel, eitherHeh. What I love about that is she's all 'You realise that was a set up, don't you?' And Harry's all 'It probably was.' ( ... )
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But you just said that you thought Snape's (current) impression of Harry wasn't too far off the mark? Besides, if Draco's assessment of Harry is accurate, then I'd think it would really be like "Draco has to realise how horribly WROOOONG he was", if he was to fall in love with him, much like you imagine Snarry ( ... )
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However, to clarify: I think Snape's impression of Harry is at least partially valid ( ... )
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Hee! :reports mission accomplished:
I guess, I just get the impression that because Snape is currently, much more sympathetic in the text, that his hate is intended as wrongheaded but personal - there are specific traits he picks on, for example, and dislikes Harry for.
Ah, OK, I understand. I suppose then that the reason for our different ways of seeing this may be that I don't see Snape, in the text, as more sympathetic. I mean, sure, he has saved Harry's and other's lives on more than one occasion, but he's a teacher, that's his responsibility. It's something you have more reason to expect from him, than from Draco, who is jusst a fellow student, aand certainly no more capable than other kids. Otoh, Snape is far more nasty than Draco has ever been; his abusing his authority to bully children, whereas Draco is only capable of coming up with lame insults with his peers, most of whom are more than capable of taking him on, when he does. And for this he ( ... )
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A lot of liking Snape, for me, gets diluted by fandom. So whereas before, I maybe thought he's funny and I feel a bit bad for him, but he's kind of selfish and childish; the whole 'OMG U MUST LOVE SNAPE, HE'S A HERO' makes me want to dislike him!
And it's hard to tell whether JKR intends a lot of what I think she does, or whether I'm particularly suspicious/paranoid of her! ;)
...if we took away those two aspects, Draco's feelings for Harry would be pure admiration? It's interesting to think about, because we really don't know. (Otoh, if that were the case, would you still like him?:D)Heh, Draco without jealousy is hard to imagine ( ... )
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Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Not to mention, when Snape-fans white-whash him the way they do, they sort of erase what I love about the character in the first place. It's sad really, he's one of my favourite characters. The Luna-fandom is slowly but suredly beginning to do the same thing to me, which is sad, because I was so happy to find another female character I liked, and thought seemed real. But it seems like, when it comes to female characters in this fandom, many people put their favourites on some kind of piedestal, and DAMNIT, I DON'T WANT ANYONE ON A PIEDESTAL! Maybe this shouldn't surprise me eitheer, considering JKR seems to bring forward the message that girls/women, unlike boys/men, need to be absolutely PERFECT in order to deserve love. It goes against my principles.
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I'm not and was never enamoured with her, but she seemed marginally more sensible than the Trio, and I liked that she stood up to them occasionally and was *gasp* a friend from another house. There are tons of sensible fans, like maria, as there are for every character, I'm sure.
But all I ever seem to see are 'OMG, I AM LUNA, SHE IS PERFECT, SHE WILL MARRY HARRY/RON AND SIT ON A THRONE OF GOLD, SHE'Z LIEK SUPER-REBELLIOUS & IMAGINATIVE!111 DO YOU LIKE HER YET?'
Um, not so much anymore, no.
Oh, I <3 Millicent. The disgust was one of my favourite parts (really not a big OotP fan! ;) as was her unwittingly outdoing Hermione in CoS, both with the duel and the potion. Clearly nobody fucks with Millicent Bulstrode. (And you have to laugh at her descriptions, too: "No pixie" - OH NOES!1111 ( ... )
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