Ok people, I know you've all seen these commercials about HPV and how it can cause cervical cancer, but I'm here to clear up a few things about this victimized virus
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Yeah, my best friend / adopted sister has HPV. She's had malignant tumors removed from her cervix a couple times now. But I guess she deserves it, since she's had sex with more than one guy in her life time and that evidently makes her a skanky whore. I'll be sure to let her know, next time she's in fear for her life, that she brought this all on herself.
Did I say that everyone who gets it is a skank? No. Did I acknowledge the fact that all not strains of HPV are transmitted that way? Yes.
Don't mistake this as me condemning everyone who has an STD; that's not what this was about. All I wanted to do was make fun of a commercial that puts a happy little spin on a virus that is USUALLY (not all the time) spread sexually.
I'm genuinely sorry your sister has had those problems, but don't get pissed at me for saying what I said. This whole thing is about spreading awareness and if the commerical isn't going to do it correctly, then I will, whether you like it or not.
Well, no, you didn't *explicitly* state that everyone who gets HPV is a skank, however, statements such as "Recent studies show that cervical cancer can be caused by a common virus (if you're promiscuous)" imply that that is exactly what you believe. If it isn't, then what was the point of this whole thing? I understand you're trying to highlight the sexual nature of the disease, but you did so in such a way that VERY clearly implies that the only way to get it is to be promiscuous. The whole reason I'm taking issue with you is because you're NOT spreading awareness correctly
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Since saying only skanks get HPV makes no comedic sense, I'm forced to believe that this is what you actually believe.Once again, I did not say that only skanks get it. I also said that you don't have to have sex to get it...that's what "any form of sexual contact" means
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According to recent research, twelve strains of the 30ish sexually-transmitted strains can cause cervical cancer (along with other cancers). I'm not sure about those particular strains, but can't papillomavirus infections occur from contaminated surfaces, not just direct contact? I'm almost surprised at how neglected research in this area has been, given how freakishly evil DNA viruses are. I also think that commercial seemed to have come dangerously close to using a cuddly stuffed animal of some sort. Perhaps Snuggles demanded too high a pay for the advert.
Where are you getting this "recent" research? If it's from the internet, well.....hmph. I trust my nursing textbooks over the internet any day. A virus can't survive very long on a surface. It needs a host to survive. The HIV virus can only live about 6 hours on a toilet seat...and there are at least skin cells on a toilet seat to keep it alive. And this research isn't neglected. They've known about this for years. HPV has been recognized as the cause of over 95% of cervical cancers. That's why women are supposed to go to the gynecologist annually to get tested for it. That's what the "pap" in "pap smear" means: papanicolaou. They're teaching this stuff to first level nursing students; it's not a new discovery.
Well, I'm not under any illusions as to how she caught it. She caught it through one of the four people she's had sex with. It's as simple as that. I'm simply pointing out that it's not just common among promiscuous people; it's common among EVERYBODY. It's common to the point where it's easy to get it without whoring around. Don't change your story now, that's the opposite of what you were saying. Maybe you regret that, and I wouldn't blame you, but the fact of the matter is you were saying mainly sluts get HPV. Which is ludicrous.
Has nothing to do with the fact that it hits close to home, as far as the facts are concerned, although that did contribute to my choosing to speak up in the first place. Really, it's as simple as: you were trying to pigeonhole it as primarily a result of promiscuity, and that's simply not true. It's not the clap or AIDS or gonorrhea. It's way, way common among average folks. Just like the commercial says.
Ok, I'm going to say a few more things, then I want this to be over.
1. Yes, I admit, I was trying to make the point that they're sugar-coating a taboo subject. It IS an STD. It's documented as an STD. And like my textbook said, it's the most common viral STD. And the more people you sleep with, the more likely you are to get it. It's a positive correlation.
2. The thing that gets to me about the commercial is that they're making it sound like a new discovery. It's not. It's been around for ages. Why do you think women are supposed to go to the gynecologist once a year for a pap smear? Did you think the 'pap' in 'pap smear' and the 'pap' in 'papilloma' were unrelated? And what do all these women think they were going to the GYN for? Just a random annual cunt-probe for shits and giggles? I wouldn't want to undergo something that incredibly uncomfortable every year unless it was for a damn good reason
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I'm not arguing pathology with you. I know all about the nature of this virus. I'm arguing with you because you said, in your first post, that HPV is a promiscuous person's disease. It isn't. Period. It's easy to get if you're promiscuous, yes. It's also easy to get if you have a normal, healthy sex life. One form or another of this damn thing is easy to get even if you're monogamous, even if you don't go all the way, even if you're just fooling around. Of course having more sex increases your chances. But just having occasional sex with someone you love like any normal, healthy person... the chances are still pretty damn high there, too.
I'm pretty sure this is not the case, but you almost seem to be taking personal offense that other people are having sex of any kind. As I said before, there's a big gray area between "celibate" and "whore". If you disagree, then yes, we should stop arguing because if we disagree on that principle, the rest is just redundant.
Hahaha! No, I'm not taking offense that people are having sex. And when did I ever disagree that there's a difference between "celibate" and "whore?" (There is a difference, however, between saying something and IMPLYING something. For example: I didn't SAY it was a promiscuous person's disease, I IMPLIED it.)
And as far as "occasional sex with someone you love like any normal, healthy person," the chances are only high if one of you got it previously from someone else then passed it on. It's not just gonna...develop out of nowhere. As with any STD, monogamous sexual partners have the least chance of contracting it.
OK, at this point the debate is getting silly. In this case, "said" and "implied" are two different words for the same thing: in your original post, you got your point across that you thought HPV was a promiscuous person's disease. It's very clear. I know; I read it
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My original post was a piece of satire that you just took a little too personally...simple as that. You've made plenty of broad, inaccurate generalizations about women that you knew weren't true just to be funny, but you don't see me bitching about it, do you?
AIDS and the clap affect normal, everyday people to a lesser extent, too, and I think you would agree AIDS is quite common. Common means "well known," not "easy to contract."
I painted it as an STD. Because it is. That's how it's classified in every related textbook I've read in the last 12 months. How many normal, everyday-type people do you know who have STDs? I'm gonna go ahead and guess, "not so many." (Notice I didn't say "none.")
No, it's not "as simple as that". It is pretty simple, but not in the way you want it to be. You weren't doing absurdist, surrealist, or Dada humor. You are correct in that you were doing satire. Satire means you make a point in a humorous / allegorical fashion. You can't post satire and then say "Hey, lighten up, it was just a joke" because satire is NEVER "just a joke". Underneath it is always an underlying point. You had something to say and you said it with satire. Sometimes I use exaggerated humor to poke fun at women, but sometimes I use satire, and in those cases, you would most certainly have a right to bitch if you disagreed
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Ya know, we could argue this till the end of time and it still wouldn't be over. I'd continue to provide textual medical evidence and you'd keep right on arguing semantics.
I have no choice but to pull the nursing card because that's my background.
Now, I don't know about you, but I don't enjoy the thought of having to explain to people that I lost a good friend because of HPV, so I'm going to call this a draw. We're never going to see eye-to-eye on this and I'm tired of trying, so let's just agree that you're wrong and I'm right to disagree and let it be done with, deal?
Actually, I've only been responding to semantic arguments that you're brought up because you refuse to argue my main point. As an example, let me sum up how the debate's gone so far
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Re: A draw.the_julieSeptember 1 2006, 19:52:09 UTC
That was NOT a threat to end our frienship. That was me pointing out that if we keep this up, we're likely to not want to be friends anymore, and I don't want that. I don't want to lose my friend in a stupid argument just because we're both too arrogant to shut our damn mouths.
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Did I acknowledge the fact that all not strains of HPV are transmitted that way? Yes.
Don't mistake this as me condemning everyone who has an STD; that's not what this was about. All I wanted to do was make fun of a commercial that puts a happy little spin on a virus that is USUALLY (not all the time) spread sexually.
I'm genuinely sorry your sister has had those problems, but don't get pissed at me for saying what I said. This whole thing is about spreading awareness and if the commerical isn't going to do it correctly, then I will, whether you like it or not.
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I'm almost surprised at how neglected research in this area has been, given how freakishly evil DNA viruses are.
I also think that commercial seemed to have come dangerously close to using a cuddly stuffed animal of some sort. Perhaps Snuggles demanded too high a pay for the advert.
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A virus can't survive very long on a surface. It needs a host to survive. The HIV virus can only live about 6 hours on a toilet seat...and there are at least skin cells on a toilet seat to keep it alive.
And this research isn't neglected. They've known about this for years. HPV has been recognized as the cause of over 95% of cervical cancers. That's why women are supposed to go to the gynecologist annually to get tested for it. That's what the "pap" in "pap smear" means: papanicolaou. They're teaching this stuff to first level nursing students; it's not a new discovery.
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Has nothing to do with the fact that it hits close to home, as far as the facts are concerned, although that did contribute to my choosing to speak up in the first place. Really, it's as simple as: you were trying to pigeonhole it as primarily a result of promiscuity, and that's simply not true. It's not the clap or AIDS or gonorrhea. It's way, way common among average folks. Just like the commercial says.
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1. Yes, I admit, I was trying to make the point that they're sugar-coating a taboo subject. It IS an STD. It's documented as an STD. And like my textbook said, it's the most common viral STD. And the more people you sleep with, the more likely you are to get it. It's a positive correlation.
2. The thing that gets to me about the commercial is that they're making it sound like a new discovery. It's not. It's been around for ages. Why do you think women are supposed to go to the gynecologist once a year for a pap smear? Did you think the 'pap' in 'pap smear' and the 'pap' in 'papilloma' were unrelated? And what do all these women think they were going to the GYN for? Just a random annual cunt-probe for shits and giggles? I wouldn't want to undergo something that incredibly uncomfortable every year unless it was for a damn good reason ( ... )
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I'm pretty sure this is not the case, but you almost seem to be taking personal offense that other people are having sex of any kind. As I said before, there's a big gray area between "celibate" and "whore". If you disagree, then yes, we should stop arguing because if we disagree on that principle, the rest is just redundant.
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And as far as "occasional sex with someone you love like any normal, healthy person," the chances are only high if one of you got it previously from someone else then passed it on. It's not just gonna...develop out of nowhere. As with any STD, monogamous sexual partners have the least chance of contracting it.
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AIDS and the clap affect normal, everyday people to a lesser extent, too, and I think you would agree AIDS is quite common. Common means "well known," not "easy to contract."
I painted it as an STD. Because it is. That's how it's classified in every related textbook I've read in the last 12 months. How many normal, everyday-type people do you know who have STDs? I'm gonna go ahead and guess, "not so many." (Notice I didn't say "none.")
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I have no choice but to pull the nursing card because that's my background.
Now, I don't know about you, but I don't enjoy the thought of having to explain to people that I lost a good friend because of HPV, so I'm going to call this a draw. We're never going to see eye-to-eye on this and I'm tired of trying, so let's just agree that you're wrong and I'm right to disagree and let it be done with, deal?
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